Bruce Gagnon Coordinator for the Global Network Against Weapons and Nuclear Power in Space

US Claims it Will Own the Arctic - Part One

Download audio file 20 April, 2013 12:21

When a country's military-industrial complex is privatized and run by corporations, war becomes a business rather than the last means for the self-defense of a country's sovereignty or people. The constant wars the US is engaged in have enriched those who profit and yet have devastated the economy and the population. 

Amid the endless war paradigm being a peace activist is a dangerous proposition. We spoke to one such brave person Mr. Bruce Gagnon, the coordinator for the Global Network Against Weapons and Nuclear Power in Space – to get his views on the current beating of the drums of war in Washington.

Hello! This is John Robles, you are listening to an interview with Bruce Gagnon. He is the Coordinator for the Global Network Against Weapons and Nuclear Power in Space. This is part 1 of a longer interview. You can find the rest of this interview on our website at

Hello Bruce! It is a pleasure to be speaking with you again. Good evening. How are you?

Gagnon: Good! Nice to be on air with you again.

Robles: Can you tell us a little bit about what is going on with NATO from your perspective with regard to Ukraine and the statements in the media there about that situation in Ukraine?

Gagnon: First, let me talk about the general demonization that is going on in the US media, the mainstream media. It's been unrelenting.

Today following the Geneva meeting, both Kerry and Obama have been on air, essentially downplaying the possibilities coming out of that meeting, really, in a way, trying to sabotage any expectations of anything positive coming out of it. Clearly, they are trying to beat the war drums and they are beating them hard.

This past weekend I flew to Toronto to talk at the University of Toronto. While I was in Chicago, waiting for my plane there, in the airport I was watching CNN. And there was Zbigniew Brzezinski talking about how we need to give weapons to the Ukrainian Government. And his reason for it, he said: because Russia armed the Vietnamese during the US war in Vietnam and we needed to pay them back. So...

Robles: Are you serious?

Gagnon: Oh yes! I heard it with my own ears.

Robles: Because of Vietnam and they have to get back at Russia?

Gagnon: That's right! It was unbelievable. So, you know, this is the kind of stuff that is being heard on the TV in the US day in and day out.

Robles: I'm sorry, this was just reported as normal? I mean, this wasn't reported like a "lunatic of the day" or something?

Gagnon: No! You know, Zbigniew Brzezinski was Jimmy Carter's National Security Advisor.

Robles: We know who he is, yes.

Gagnon: He is known to have recruited Obama, when Obama was a student at Columbia University. I once read that Brzezinski said that he vetted Obama early on.

Robles: Yes, and he was Obama's Foreign Policy Advisor during the election campaign. And he's peopled all of the upper echelons of the State Department with his own acolytes.

Gagnon: Right! On your other question about NATO expansion, it is quite dramatic.

The US is moving 18 F-16 fighter planes into Poland and has committed to taking over the rotation of NATO war planes that are flying over the Baltic air patrols. Supposedly, there are 12 US planes, 4 from Great Britain, 4 from France and 6 from Canada. So, there is a major war plane escalation by the US and NATO along the Russian border.

At the same time air patrols out of Lithuania which would put these jets just literally 5 minutes flight from St. Petersburg.

And then, the US has sent in three Aegis Destroyers into the Black Sea in recent days, including the Donald Cook most recently. These are all missile defense carrying warships, a key element in the US first strike attack planning.

The idea being that after a first strike upon Russian or Chinese underground nuclear missile silos, Russia or China would then fire a retaliatory strike. And these so-called missile defense systems onboard these Navy Aegis Destroyers would help take them out, take out that retaliatory capability.

So, they are the shield after the first strike is lunged into the heart of Russia or China. China is being surrounded by these same kinds of missile defense systems.

The US and NATO have already moved ground-based missile defense systems into Poland. They are going to be putting them in Romania. They have put an X-Band Radar, a missile defense radar system in Turkey. And so, the goal is to really to continue to encircle Russia with these missile defense systems and many people on the right wing are calling for missile defense deployments in Ukraine now as well.

Clearly, this whole NATO expansion is a violation of promises that the US made years ago, at the time of the reunification of Germany. Gorbachev talking to the US then Secretary of State James Baker was promised that NATO would not expand eastward. And when Clinton became president, he of course got NATO going on steroids, and they've been expanding ever since.

So, clearly, the US and NATO are doing everything they can to encircle Russia. And there is even talk now of moving US ground troops near the Russian border, into some of these NATO countries bordering Russia.

Robles: All I can think is that they've gone insane. Are they trying to provoke WW III? I mean, why would they be moving, and what is their justification for moving, all this hardware for Ukraine? What is the justification for Lithuanian air patrols near St. Petersburg? The aegis destroyers are part of the prompt global strike system, what do they need them for in Ukraine? What are they trying to say?

Gagnon: I think there are a couple different things going on here and it is good to review each of them. One thing is: with the supposed drawdown in Afghanistan… I'm skeptical that it is going to be a complete drawdown, I think the US will maintain some troops in Afghanistan. But there will be some drawdown in Afghanistan.

So, the Pentagon and the military-industrial complex are eager to come up with a new enemy in order to justify the massive military spending that exists today.

So, by demonizing Russia at this moment, by helping to create this destabilization of that region, the US is able to pull off that in the eyes of the American people: "Oh, we can't cut the military budget, look at Russia, they are trying to take over the world." So, that's one element of it.


Number two, we know that Russia has the world's largest supply of natural gas. And one thing I'm quite certain of is that the role of the Pentagon in the world today is to serve as the primary resource extraction service for multinational corporations.

And we must remember that kind of well-know video of Victoria Nuland last December in Washington speaking at an event where she said that the US has already spent $5 billion on this project. And on either side of her on the stage were the logos of Exxon and Chevron. And so, clearly, this is part of the agenda, the fossil fuel corporations would love to get their hands on the natural gas that Russia has.

In addition, the RAND Corporation has a study that shows that we should be breaking Russia up into various pieces, Balkanizing it.

Robles: That was the Brzezinski's plan, 68 autonomous regions. And if I could mention, because I've written about this, it's been on the Internet regarding the resources, it is a very little-known fact that part of the EU Association Agreement, the one that was supposed to be signed after the coup included transferring the entire ownership of the Russian gas pipeline that's running through Ukraine to, I believe, Exxon Oil. I don't think many people know about that.

Gagnon: There is one other important factor. With climate change there is already a 40% reduction of the ice up in the Arctic Region. Just at the end of March our US Senator from Maine, one of our two senators, Angus King, he is an independent, went on a ride on a nuclear submarine underneath the Arctic ice. And he sent a message around, when he came back.

Also, onboard that particular mission was Thomas Friedman, the NY Times columnist. And he wrote a column in the NY Times called Parallel Parking in the Arctic Ocean. And he talked about being onboard this navy subarctic warfare exercise.

Also, I've learnt that there is a new Pentagon study out, called US Navy Arctic Roadmap 2014-2030 that says that there are 90 billion barrels of oil underneath the Arctic, there is 1,669 trillion ft3 of natural gas and that operating bases will be needed so that the US and its NATO partners: Canada, Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway and Sweden can militarily train together. In fact, Canada has appropriated $25 billion, their largest military appropriation in their country's history, to build armed combat vessels largely for this expedition in the arctic.

And also, onboard that particular submarine on that occasion at the end of March was Admiral Greenert, the Chief of Naval Operations, who was quoted in the Freidman article as saying that: "We are going to own the Arctic Region".

So, when one looks at a map, you see that Russia has the largest land border of any other country in the arctic region. So, I think one additional reason for this Ukraine situation is to beat the drums, stir up the American people so that they will support the expensive and very provocative, and dangerous, militarization of the Arctic, which in the end will be aimed at Russia.

Robles: Bruce, are the American people buying it?

Gagnon: I've seen one poll asking people do they support Obama's aggressive posture towards Russia? Should we try to stop them from taking Crimea? And 50-some percent of the American people said "No, we don't want to get into a tangle". But they are working it hard.

And one thing we have to remember is when George W. Bush attacked Iraq in 2003, the American people were massively opposed to that operation, but they still did it anyway. These people, I believe, are literally crazy.

And Obama is under the control of these people. I don't think he is unwilling, I think he is a willing partner in this whole thing, but he clearly works for these corporate interests. And so, they are reluctant to listen to the people of the US.

I think there needs to be, you know, a lot of us are working hard on this now in this country, but there really needs to be a greater work around the world on this issue calling out the US for what I think is one of the most serious military escalations since the Cuban Missile Crisis.

Robles: You are not alone in thinking that most of the world is thinking the same thing. And internationally, I don't think there will be any support, I don't think they will be able to get more than 2 or 3 NATO allies to agree to any kind of military operation in Ukraine.

I mean, most of the world knows that there was a Western-organized coup and they brought fascists to power in Europe again. There are Nazis calling for killing Jews in power in Europe again and this is 2014. And I don't know what country is going to be ready to send their young men to die for Nazis in Ukraine, just because the US wants to continue to demonize Russia any possible way they can.

Gagnon: The thing I fear though is the way that the US and NATO are ratcheting this up these days. You know, it doesn't have to necessarily only be an intentional attack. These kinds of things can get out of hand very quickly and can spiral very quickly into a real shooting war.

Robles: There are at least 300 US Blackwater mercenaries in Ukraine. And they are not there to have picnics or man checkpoints.

Gagnon: I'm sure!

Robles: So, that's frightening what could happen there.

Gagnon: And they are really responsible to no one except the few elites, because what we are seeing in the US, essentially, is the privatization of foreign and military policy.

I read a book some years ago by a former CIA agent. And he told the story about leaving the CIA where he worked in the Middle East. And he left the CIA and went to work for oils corporations, and was doing the secret backchannel work for them; assassinations, destabilizations and the whole thing. And in fact, he kind of bragged that often times he would go into a CIA station in a particular country and they wouldn't have a clue about what was going on.

And so, this whole privatization of the US foreign and military policy has been going on for a long time and it is really increasing these days. This particular book, I'd really recommend it, is called The Game Player: Confessions of the CIA's Original Political Operative by a guy named Miles Copeland quite a revealing story.

That was the end of part one of an interview the Bruce Gagnon – the coordinator for the Global Network Against Weapons and Nuclear Power in Space.


In the US Maidan Style Insurrectionists Would Be Killed - Part One

Download audio file 5 March, 2014 08:12

The US/NATO are engaged in destabilization operations in Ukraine in order to take control so that the oil corporations will have greater chance to control natural gas coming out of Russia and also to use Ukraine as a NATO base and put missile defense systems on Russia’s border. In Venezuela, which also has huge oil reserves, the same operations are taking place. The instruments include the National Endowment for Democracy, USAID as a key CIA player and funding from billionaires such as George Soros.

Bruce Gagnon the coordinator for the Global Network Against Weapons and Nuclear Power in Space spoke about these issues and more and said Russia is being targeted more aggressively as resources begin to be available in the Arctic. He also underlines the hypocrisy of the US citing the fact that if anyone attempted to storm the houses of government and remove the elected government in the US they would be killed.

This is John Robles. I'm speaking with Mr. Bruce Gagnon. He is the coordinator for the Global Network Against Weapons and Nuclear Power in Space. This is part 1 of a longer interview. You can find the rest of this interview on our website at

Robles: Hello, Bruce, how are you this evening?

Gagnon: I'm good. Thank you very much.

Robles: Thanks for agreeing to speak with me. I wish it was on a better circumstances. I'd like to hear your views on what is going on in Ukraine. There is a huge amount of misinformation and disinformation going on almost to the level where it is frightening as to what they have planed. I was wondering if you could tell us a little bit about NATO's intentions and where you see the situation going.

Gagnon: Well, you know, I've been following this Ukraine story for a long time. Because of the work of my organization we are trying to prevent the arm's race from moving into space, so we've been very concerned about US and NATO missile defense deployment surrounding Russia.

So as this Ukraine situation has begun to unfold in the recent months, I was following it very closely and learning much more about it as we go along. And I really come to a conclusion that this whole operation is clearly a US/NATO operation of destabilization in order to take control of Ukraine so that the oil corporations will have greater chance to control natural gas coming out of Russia, but also they want to use Ukraine obviously as a NATO base over time and put its missile defense systems right there, on the Russian borders. I'm pretty convinced that is what this is all about.

Robles: You were one of the first persons who openly said (this goes back a couple of years ago) you openly said that the so called missile defense system is basically with a flick of a chip it is a first strike nuclear weapon. Do you hold to that or?

Gagnon: Yeah, but missile defense systems are key elements in the US first strike attack planning. The shield that would be used after the US first strike sword is launched: in this case the US would try to take out Russian nuclear forces and then Russia would fire its remaining retaliatory capability after the US first strike.

It will be then when the missile defense systems (the shield) will be used to try to pick off the retaliatory capability of Russia.

And the US is doing the same thing to China, encircling China with their missile defense systems based on land and based on sea, based on navy destroyers etc..

Robles: If you look at the map, why is Ukraine important?

Gagnon: As they say in business: location, location, location.

Ukraine is important as a missile defense location and a NATO base because it is right on Russia's border, it borders the Black Sea, they are strategically located.

But I think more importantly is the natural gas pipelines runing through Ukraine, moving Russian natural gas to Europe and to other places as well.

So if you could just imagine that NATO suddenly occupies Ukraine: what are the implications then to Russia's ability to move its natural gas? Well, clearly that becomes problematic. So I think this is really what it is all about.

Last night I found, I stumbled across an interesting video, the famous US State Department official Victoria Nuland who has been leading this whole Ukraine coup effort for the US and in this video, it was last December in Washington DC, Nuland had just come back from many trips to Ukraine, she came back to report to the oil companies as I'm calling it..

Robles: I'm sorry, Bruce, was this the video where… (this is a State Department US government official) was this the video where she was speaking with a Chevron logo off to the left behind her?

Gagnon: Yes the Chevron logo was to one side and the Exxon Mobile logo was to the other.

Robles: Right. Oh my…

Gagnon: At about seven and a half minute into the video, she says “we have invested $5 billion in these operations”. That is 5 “billion” with a “b”.

Clearly there can be no doubt at all that this has been a US and European sponsored coup d'état from the outset. I am not saying that there are some legitimate concerns that some of the people on the streets had with the Ukrainian government.

Of course there are, of course there will be. Let's be frank about it. That is really not what was driving this thing, this thing was all about US and NATO trying to take control.

Robles: I see. But that is one of the color revolution instruments or ways; they take a normal social issue and then exaggerate it and build on it until it explodes into what we saw on Maidan Square, basically.

Gagnon: Right now in Venezuela which also, as you know, has large amounts of oil, the US is destabilizing Venezuela today and one of the tools that they are using is the National Endowment for Democracy. That is the same National Endowment for Democracy I read had 65 projects going on in Ukraine.

So clearly the US taxpayers are funding this so called National Endowment for Democracy – it doesn't have anything to do with democracy, it has everything to do with regime change. And that is what it is all about.

And when you look at the boards of directors of the National Endowment for Democracy, you find some pretty shady characters are involved in this, people in the very extreme elements of US Republican and Democratic Party. That is the reality of it.

Robles: I've read reports that USAID was involved and this has been going on for about at least 10 years. The neo nazis have been training in Western Ukraine for about 10 years just for such a scenario. Apparently there is a release, I don't know if you know about it, it was on a site called Pando where they released USAID documents reportedly with George Sorros', EBay founder Pierre Omidyar from the Omidyar Network Foundation and of course the National Endowment for Democracy which you just mentioned which is funded by the US Congress. Can you expand on that? Do you know anything about those connections, with these NGOs?

Gagnon: I don't know as much about USAID but I do know that it is a well known CIA front group. I know that. So I'm sure that they get involved as well.

Today I also saw a story coming out of Turkey. It is reporting about MIT – the Turkish Intelligence Service with sending operatives into Crimea to work with Crimean Turks to act against the ethnic Russian majority and to help destabilize the situation there. And the report said that this was being coordinated with the US and the EU and NATO of course.

So this is what I believe is going to be happening down the road: the US and NATO will be working with all kinds of different operatives andsend in destabilization teams just like what is happening in Syria today. They will send in destabilization teams into the Crimea to instill violence, terrorism and everything else.

The US has been doing this for a long time. I learnt about this when I was in the Air Force in the 1970s during the Vietnam War. And I read the book called The Pentagon Papers, the Pentagon's secret history about how they destabilized Vietnam and created the pretext of war in Vietnam.

This modus operandi, or MO, is the way the US always works. It is the way they worked in Iraq, it is the way they worked in Afghanistan, it is the way they worked in Syria, they've been working that way in Iran now they are bringing it to Ukraine. I have no doubt about it.

I've long read that one of the goals of the US is to break Russia into even more pieces and one of the reasons of course besides the fact that Russia has the largest supply of natural gas in the world, is the Arctic. Because of climate change they are predicting there is not going to be any Arctic ice by the year 2015.

Robles: Right.

Gagnon: And all you have to do is look at the map of the Arctic and you see that Russia has a long border with half of the Arctic. When you look at the various countries along the Arctic – Russia is half of it. Clearly the US has been going to Canada, to Norway, to Sweden and getting them to install and expand their navies and military and to work through NATO to create a military capability to take control of the Arctic region. And so I believe that this is also a part of the longer term strategy which the US has today.

Robles: I see. Can you comment on couple of things here? First off there were some reports about a young man, he was apparently a Russian citizen, he was coming back from Maidan, he was caught at the border and he was part of the demonstrations and he said… (He was being questioned by the authorities and he was talking about everything he had seen there) … how anyone who was suspected of being against the coup was taken to a basement and shot in the head, he was talking about how they were taking police into backrooms and killing them, he said that there were 50 Americans on Maidan Square when they were beating police with steel pipes and everything. Can you comment on that? Do you know anything about that?

Gagnon: I have no idea if that is true or not, but I would say to you that it would not at all surprise me because this is the kind of thing that, again historically, the US does. They send in special operation forces, they send in various kinds of people whether they are military or whether they are private mercenary types, and they send them in to train, to direct, to foment a lot of these violent terrorist situations.

So we know that in Syria the US has been doing just that very thing. We know that in Iran, the US for years, it's been reported in the New Yorker magazine by Seymour M. Hersh, the great journalist, that the US has been sending terrorist operatives into Iran for years, blowing up things, killing people. Clearly it is the modus operandi of the military industrial complex and their corporate allies.

Robles: I see. They actually have recordings done during the height of the most violent clashes on Maidan there were people screaming at each other, instructions in English. I thought that was kind of a little shocking.

How can US officials (I don't know if there has been complete media blackout in the US) but how can US officials back these people? How can they say that these are peaceful demonstrators? How can they call them legitimate when what they did was storm the houses of government, put themselves on the seats of governing bodies and call themselves the government? There was no referendum, there was no vote..

Gagnon: I have to say that I was a part of the Occupy Movement here in the US a couple of years ago when it was going strong and we saw that the Obama Administration from the White House issued a directive to police departments all over America to shut down the Occupy Movement and they went in and they beat people, they bulldozed the camps, they beat them, they arrested them, they put them in jail, all that kind of thing..If tomorrow the Occupy Movement in the USA tried to invade the White House, tried to invade the Congress of the US, tried to take over various government buildings in Washington they would be shot, they would be killed, I promise you, they would be killed.

And the American people would be told that these people are terrorists and they have to be stopped.

That was the end of part 1 of an interview with Bruce Gagnon, the coordinator for the Global Network Against Weapons and Nuclear Power in Space. Stay with us.

US Criminally Invades Countries Without Pretext - Part Two

Download audio file 23 March, 2014 23:12

The west, their hypocritical politicians and their subservient wholly owned media continue to fabricate, obfuscate, twist and outright lie to create the impression that the neo nazi killers they hired to bring about a coup in Ukraine are innocent little oppressed people who have done nothing wrong, were being killed by the police and merely want to live free and democratically. 

Even though the US organized and spent 5 billion dollars on overthrowing Ukraine they continue to worm their way out of responsibility and continue to support the lawless killers they forced to power in Ukraine. I spoke to Bruce Gagnon on these issues and more. He said that John Kerry is now the laughing stock of the US and I would add even the world, for when he said you don’t invade countries without a pretext, he was obviously talking about himself.

Hello, this is John Robles. I'm speaking with Mr. Bruce Gagnon. He is the coordinator for the Global Network Against Weapons and Nuclear Power in Space. This is part 2 of a longer interview. You can find the rest of this interview on our website at

Robles: On Maidan they were killing policemen and it was filmed on camera, I guess you guys don't get this footage but we got footage, I mean, one guy is protesting and they are killing those two cops with these steal pipes. They are just beating them to death and the guy who was shooting the video, he says, he starts turning away and another guy tells him:'No, we film everything'. They just killed these two cops.

Gagnon: They are not showing that, they are not showing that here in the US because in the US it's a very carefully selected footage to create the impression that the people are righteous and that they've done nothing wrong and that they are being killed by the police even when they have provoked it themselves. So clearly there has been a script that has been written for this whole operation in Ukraine, clearly there is a public relations' script here in this country, mainstream media and I'm hearing from my friends in Canada and Australia and England that in most countries it is the same script. They are following the script very closely, the media, they are all using the same words to describe it. The Russian government, the intentions of Russia are all being..Let me just give an example to illustrate this.

Robles: Please, please.

Gagnon: I think it is an interesting, you know the story of the recently appointed since the so called revolution the new Navy Rearadmiral for the Ukraine, admiral Berezovsky, he did a news conference over the weekend in Crimea where he said he was not going to support the coup and that he was wanting to support the Crimean autonomy.

Robles: He said he wanted to support the Crimean people and that he would not support the illegitimate government.

Gagnon: That story was displayed on mainstream television here, in America this morning because I saw it. They said that admiral Berezovsky had surrendered to Russia. Ok, he had surrendered, in other words Russia has taken him prisoner, ok? So that is the way it is translated, that is the way.

Robles: That is an outright lie.

Gagnon: That is the brainwashing if you will that is going on here in the US. And so there are people even on the left here in the US that has taken this bait, hook, line and sinker.

Robles: Let me give you another one while we are on it because this one is equally shocking and I've just heard this not long ago, I was talking to a guy in the UK, a friend of mine. And he told me what they were told was that the Ukrainian forces in Crimea that they were surrounded by these evil invading Russian forces and terrified and refusing to surrender or something. What really happened was the entire. And these are people coming in from soldiers, coming in from other regions. All of what is left of the Ukrainian military which was not much to peak about to begin with, they all decided to stick with the people of Ukraine. They are not following orders from the people that they are calling illegitimate in Maidan, and they are without a single shot being fired, they willfully of their own violation decided to join the Crimean forces,that is it. The number of Russian forces there is very few, there are mostly guarding..

Gagnon: What is the number?

Robles: I don't know the number but it is nowhere near the West is saying. There is no standoff, there is no huge Russian force surrounding some poor Ukrainian military there. That doesn't exist.

Gagnon: Let me ask you this question: over the weekend I heard a very brief mention that some of the fascist elements that were involved in this so called revolution in Kiev, that they were boarding trains and heading East and were trying to go in the East to try to create fights, disrupt, coup, violence, that kind of thing, is it true?

Robles: Yes, that is true. They stopped..Crimea has been brought to order pretty much. I mean there is actual real police, and there were police before. And there is real border guards, it is not like what it is in Kiev where they have these, I don't know what they are, but they are running around pretending they are being police, they are threatening police, they are shooting police. I mean, they are breaking the people's houses. But in Crimea everything pretty much is in order. They are stopping, inspecting cars and they've stopped many cars with people coming from Kiev, a lot of them are in very expensive cars. They are talking about BMWs, Mercedes Benzes and stuff like this. They've been stopped with sniper rifles, I've seen footage of this. They've been stopped with grenades, with stuff to make bombs, etc. They've stopped all train traffic because of this. I don't know if you know about this Yaroshch. He was calling and I thought this was very interesting, you've been working in this stuff for a while, you know about Berzinsky's plan to break up Russia into 68 autonomous regions – this goes way way back. Yaroshch, this neoNazi leader, he was telling his forces, if you want to call them that, and this was filmed with a hidden camera, that Russia was weak right now, they need to attack Russia and divide it up into, and he mentioned the number of regions that Berzinsky said.

Gagnon: Yeah, and Berzinsky was on TV this morning in the US in SNBC, his daughter is one of the cohost of the morning new show and he was on there and he was doing his very best to demonize Russia as he always does.

Robles: The entire foreign policy established of the US is populated with Berzinsky people basically.

Gagnon: I'm sure it is true. As we know he was one of those that's directed Obama.

Robles: Yeah, he was during Obama's election campaign, he was his foreign policy advisor.

Gagnon: Berzinsky Obama when he was a student at Columbia University so he was one of the first to see this bright young man who is very ambitious with no real core beliefs and they knew that he did a perfect kind of guy that they could mold and turn into the first black president who is very the oligarchy controlled.

Robles: I'm very happy to speak to you, Bruce, because it is very disheartening. We are seeing one thing firsthand and it is former native language matching all this stuff and then seeing it twisted around and coming back 12 or 16 or 24 hours later in a completely different..they are twisting everything completely around. I just can't believe it. I mean, to hear Obama talking about bringing people who are responsible for violence to justice? I'm almost speechless. You know: Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq, droning. I mean, to talk about being responsible for violence?

Gagnon: One of the big jokes on the Internet over the weekend and today – it's just been flattered is John Kerry making the statement 'you just don't in the 21st century, behave in 19th century fashion by invading another country on completely trumped up pretext'. He said that on CBS Sunday morning program Face of the Nation. So all over the Internet over the weekend and today people are just laughing at John Kerry because it is such hypocrisy. He as a senator voted in favor of the war in Iraq and he now tries to pretend that Russia is doing what the US has been doing for years and years and years going around, invading countries without any pretext whatsoever: Libya, Syria..

Robles: Iraq..Hamid Karzai today you know what he said? He said Al Qaeda is a myth. Now this is after 12 years of 150,00 plus US troops they were supposedly fighting according to the CIA own estimates 30 Al Qaeda fighters. The president of Afghanistan said Al Qaeda is a myth, anyway he was giving his __speech. You mentioned false pretenses, right. Iraq what was the reason there? WMDs? Twentyminute or thirtyminute WMDs that were never found, the chemical weapons that were never found, an Al Qaeda tie that was never proven or found, etc. SOmething in Syria..Did they have to take drugs to say these things? I don't understand how they can you know make statements like this..

Gagnon: I'll tell you what they are, they are habitual liars, they are habitual liars. And they've been doing it for so long. They can do it without breaking a sweat. But let me tell you something, in spite of the fact that most American don't know and don't think about Ukraine and probably most Americans cannot find Ukraine out on map, despite that people intuitively now are becoming skeptical of this kind of situation. So even though there is mere total brainwashing from the corporate media, even though there is all that things, remarkably still people are figuring it out. And I must say that today I watched a TV show on Russia Today TV – RT and they had a representative from the Tea Party, the Conservative Party, and they guy was fantastic. He was fantastic. He was saying as we are saying, I have said on this conversation with you.

Robles: From the Tea Party?

Gagnon: Yes. This was very encouraging because he comes from the organization called the 1103 Institute.

Robles: I've heard about them, they've been for some really good stuff lately.

Gagnon: You might consider interviewing this guy. He is the Tea Party guy, his name is Daniel McAdams.

Robles: I'll watch out for him.

Gagnon: But anyway..

Robles: One more thing I'd like to mention I think it is really important here. When they are comparing Putin to this evil invader, maniac, despot, whatever, however they demonize everybody, right, 'this is a Russian invasion' and all this. Where are the hellfire missiles? Where are the buildings and hospitals being obliterated like in Serbia, in Yugoslavia, in Syria, in Iraq, in Somalia, in Afghanistan? Where is all the damage from this so called invasion?

Gagnon: That is the perfect question. And the answer is – I agree with you because all the scenery, all I've seen is as you said people in Crimea, gathering families, people with flags, getting their pictures taken with Russian soldiers. That is what I've seen.

Robles: They were giving them flowers, this is what the US said their soldiers would get when they entered Iraq. Another point to underline this. You've seen pictures of Kiev now, right? It was a beautiful European capital. Have you seen what it looks like now?

Gagnon: Only small.. you know, we don't get a lot of..I don't want to watch too much television, let me put it that way. Because I can't stand all the lies they tell. I haven't seen too many pictures.

Robles: It is completely destroyed, it's burnt. The ground is scorched. This was after this peaceful demonstrators.

Gagnon: John, I'm going to need to run.

Robles: Ok, great, thank you very much, Bruce, I really appreciate it.

Gagnon: Thank you, John. I appreciate it too.

That was the end of part 2 of an interview with Mr. Bruce Gagnon, the coordinator for the Global Network Against Weapons and Nuclear Power in Space. Stay with us.

US/NATO Plans to Control and Dominate Spacee

Download audio file  27 February 2014 08:12

With social programs, education, medical insurance and all forms of social aid and assistance being cut in the United States and the people losing their jobs and homes and being forced to pay more and more taxes, the outlook for the future is grim for the common people.

Despite all of this corporations are continuing to maintain huge profits and growth and the military industrial complex in the US continues to grow beyond all reason. Plans by US/NATO to expand their global militarization into space have been the subject of extensive work by peace activist Bruce Gagnon and the Global Network Against Weapons and Nuclear Power in Space.

According to specialists at the organization US/NATO missile and space “defense” are all plans to install a system that will allow the US/NATO a first strike nuclear capability against the Russian Federation and the People’s Republic of China and any other country they target. Such a military expansion is unprecedented in the history of the world and a threat to world peace and to all of humankind. The Global Network Against Weapons and Nuclear Power provided the following press release regarding their latest annual conference.

Press release:

The Global Network Against Weapons & Nuclear Power in Space (GN) will hold its 22nd annual space organizing conference in Santa Barbara, California, located near Vandenberg space warfare base on March 14-16. The GN is made up of 150 peace and religious groups around the world who are working to oppose the development of a new arms race in space. The theme for the conference will be Vandenberg’s Role in US Global Domination: Implications of US ‘Pivot’ into the Asia-Pacific.

Vandenberg AFB plays a key role in Pentagon military satellite launching, testing nuclear missiles, and most recently as a deployment site for so-called “missile defense” interceptors. Increasingly the US military is aiming at the Asia-Pacific region as the Obama announced ‘pivot’ of 60% of Pentagon forces moves to encircle China.

The conference weekend will begin with a protest at Vandenberg AFB at 4:00 pm on Friday, March 14. A public forum will be held on March 15 at the Trinity Episcopal Church in Santa Barbara at 7:00 pm.

GN Coordinator Bruce Gagnon stated, “For years there have been peace protests outside Vandenberg AFB with many people arrested for their non-violent witness. GN members are coming from all over the world to honor and encourage these dedicated local citizens. We will share our deep concerns about current US plans to ‘control and dominate space’ and the Pentagon’s pivot into the Asia-Pacific.”

he GN has long maintained, having studied the Space Command’s Vision for 2020 planning document, that space domination was ‘necessary’ in order for full corporate control of everything. With resources declining around the planet corporations are using Pentagon space-directed surveillance and targeting to ensure their control. The public, facing growing cuts in social spending, are paying for these costly military space programs.

Dave Webb, National Chair of the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament in the UK, said, “We are coming from England and other countries to support the groups who are concerned about the role of Vandenberg in aggressive, destabilizing and dangerous military projects such as ‘missile defense’. Far from being defensive, these systems are part of a strategy involving the possible use of nuclear weapons without having to worry about retaliation. The US has so much to offer the world – but the defiling of the Pacific Ocean and its peoples through this expanding militarism is shameful.”

Each year the Global Network holds its space organizing conference in a different part of the world. Last year the group met in the ‘high north’ of Sweden, where the US and NATO are creating a space surveillance and testing center. People will come to the March 14-16 Santa Barbara events from Norway, England, Canada, Japan, India, South Korea, and from throughout the US.

Please contact the Global Network Against Weapons and Nuclear Power in Space in the US at (207) 443-9502, Bruce Gagnon at or visit their website at

NATO’s Claims are Propaganda in Order to Surround Russia - Part One

Download audio file   15 December 2013, 22:10

For the US/NATO Iran was the excuse for the missile shield that is being deployed to encircle Russia and North Korea is the pretense being used to encircle China. In both cases these are sheer fabrications and the recent agreement with Iran and NATO’s refusal to stop their missile installations with a new pretext of 30 countries that are a threat proves this fact. NATO’s claims are simply propaganda. NATO expansion into Ukraine, Finland, Georgia and other countries is clearly being done to encircle Russia with the end goal being destroying and Balkanizing Russia. Longtime worldwide peace activist Bruce Gagnon spoke to the Voice of Russia on these issues and more.

Hello, this is John Robles. I'm speaking with Mr. Bruce Gagnon. He is coordinator of the Global Network Against Weapons and Nuclear Power in Space.

Robles: Hello, sir!

Gagnon: Hello. How are you?

Robles: I'm very well, nice to be speaking with you. What is your opinion about what's going on right now regarding the missile shield that was supposed to be designed to protect against an attack from Iran? There is no more threat from Iran and NATO has said, they are not going to stop building the thing. Now there is 30 other countries who, they are saying, “pose a threat”. What can you tell us about that?

Gagnon: I think the “Iran idea” was always hype. The US has clearly been aiming its missile defense system at two countries: one is Russia and the second one is China. And they have used Iran as the excuse for the one that's today being deployed to encircle Russia and they've used North Korea as the pretense to use to encircle China.

And so in both those cases I think those have been sheer fabrications and as you say now that the nuclear threat from Iran is obviously (I don't think it was there to start with but it is even less there now) after this agreement it's clear that the United States never intended for it to be aimed at Iran and so now it has to come up with additional justifications as it continues to encircle Russia with missile defense.

Robles: What do you think about this new statement by NATO? This came out earlier today: “30 other countries that pose a threat” now.

Gagnon: It's crap. It's just pure BS. It's NATO propaganda, it's like everything else you hear from NATO – it's propaganda and there is no other way to put it.

Robles: Where were these 30 countries two weeks ago, or a week ago, or a year ago, or five years ago? Unbelievable..I mean all of a sudden Iran is not a threat, there are 30 more.

Gagnon: Yeah. Well, you know the military industrial complex has made a lot of money by making people afraid of bogeyman and this is just another example.

When I was a kid, you know, I decided I wanted to be an FBI agent so I took a correspondence course and I learnt about FBI definitions and the one that I remember was “modus operandi” every criminal has an “M.O.”, a way of repeating their actions.

And so today what we see with the military industrial complex which I consider a criminal syndicate, they have a way of operating, they have a way of repeating the same behavior over and over again.

They did the same thing with Crazy Horse, the great Lakota warrior was on the reservation in the late 1860s in South Dakota. He was inside his teepee he had had his horse taken away and he had had his guns taken away and the military industrial complex was finding that because of Indian Wars were dissolving “dying out” they weren’t making as much money.

So they had artists and writers create stories of Crazy Horse back on the warpath, attacking women and children, killing them, raping white women. And they planted these stories in the all the major newspapers on the East Coast of the US and of course the American people were outraged and they demanded that Congress do something quickly and they appropriated more money to fight Indian Wars when Crazy Horse was sitting inside of his teepee.

So they've been doing this for a long time in this country. They have it down to an art and now they are internationalizing that whole strategy by expanding NATO and drawing in NATO countries to help pay for this very expensive space warfare technology system, that by itself the US can't afford.

And so by bringing the NATO allies into it now under a program that they call “interoperability” which means NATO allies buy a portion of it, they get to play with it a little bit but it all has to be run through the US satellite command-and-control system. And so this is the way that Pentagon is getting others to help pay for this program, it's just more the same.

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Robles: That's a very interesting fact, I'd like to expand on it a little bit because it's something that you don't hear too much about in the media regarding the fact: a) That the EU is (in my opinion and I think not only in my opinion) the EU is used as a carrot for the stick of NATO that's being held and controlled by the US. So anyone who bites on the EU, like Ukraine for example?

The EU doesn't really need Ukraine, I mean, other than that – they might need resources or need to exploit it financially. But NATO needs Ukraine militarily. Regarding to what you were just saying, if you could give us a few more details on how NATO is exploiting member countries by telling them they are necessary and selling themselves and then...

Gagnon: Well, one of the first things they do when a country joins NATO is they make them buy a whole new generation of weapons systems (US version) because they have to fit, it’s like Legos, they have to fit together with the US military systems, so that they can be again, interoperable.

What we find is that as soon as a country becomes NATO affiliated they then have to begin to cut social spending, to move that money into military hardware acquisition, largely from the US, from Lockheed Martin, from the other big weapons corporations. So that they all can fit together in this global alliance.

So I think that's what it is. And I know that right now the US is pushing hard to get NATO expansion into the Ukraine, into Finland, into Georgia. Clearly, the agenda is to encircle Russia. I've seen references to plans coming out of various think tanks in the US where Russia is Balkanized, in the way that Iraq is today being Balkanized, or Yugoslavia was Balkanized after the Kosovo war.

This is the larger plan of corporate capitalism today. Anybody that doesn't submit to the full authority of corporate globalization must be taken apart and taken down. And if the military industrial complex can make a bunch of money doing that process; why not? All the better..So that is generally their strategy.

Robles: Can you clarify what did you mean on “Balkanization”?

Gagnon: Break it into pieces, break Russia into various pieces, geographical and ethnic pieces even, break it down.

The Soviet Union was obviously broken down and then following that with NATO expansion, Russia being surrounded. Get to the point where they can force internal division within Russia and begin to Balkanize it – breaking into pieces. Again that was the strategy of the Bush Administration was to break Iraq into three different countries: Sunni, Shia and Kurd, after US “shock and awe” invasion in 2001, essentially they created that program.

Robles: Brezinsky said, 68 republics were planned for Russia, way back when… Back to the Ukraine, how much from your side as an activist and someone who involved in this..How much US meddling “if I can call it what it is” do you see going on in Ukraine?

I mean we have the State Department threatening sanctions, we have… they are calling for, and I think this is unrepresented, for earlier elections, for the President to step down, when he merely made a decision to look to the East, where Ukraine would have been receiving in a seven year period somewhere over a hundred billion dollars in benefits for joining the Customs Union and one billion dollars for joining the EU. It's a no brainer. I mean for the country itself, but of course that president has to be gotten rid of. What moves do you see by the West in manipulating this situation?

Gagnon: I think that the US took a public relations hit when it lost on Syria and Iran. And much of my perception is, much of what came out in a positive war out of Syria and Iran. There was a major contribution by Russia. In terms of helping to negotiate those deals and make then happen.

I think the US is very bullying country, we don't like anyone to get in our way when we have a plan or an agenda and for Russia to have kind of interceded particularly on Syria, I think the US is angry about that. And the US I think wants, like any bully, to punish someone, show them that they shouldn't do this kind of things.

I don't have any evidence of this, but again if you are talking about 'modus operandi', if you are talking about a way of working over time – what we see happening in the Ukraine, I would not doubt for a moment - is being assisted by the US's CIA and money from other sources from within the US, from the government and from private sources.

I'm sure that a lot of young people in the Ukraine, a lot of unemployed people (whatever you know, have some grievances with their government) I think every government today is in a position where there is a lot, a lot of people unhappy with their particular government, but I do think that the US is very likely heavily involved in what's happening in the Ukraine.

Especially because; look at the size of the Ukraine, look at the geographical location of the Ukraine. It's the prize that NATO really seeks and I think is out to get both through the EU and through NATO membership itself.

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Robles: Ukraine actually is… (the European part of Russia which makes up 40% of Europe) Ukraine would then be the second largest country in Europe. So, you are right, it is quite a prize and it's right in Russia's face if you want to put it that way and conquering, if you would, Ukraine which was actually the Mother of all of Rus and has very close ethnic and spiritual and cultural and other ties with Russia, I think would be coup de grace for NATO. And you just said about being kind of revenge for Syria. This was just stated not within several hours ago by the State Duma's National Affairs head Alexey Pushkov.

He said that the US attempts to influence the situation show “a desire to take revenge for defeat in Syria”. He says that “European countries and the US continue to treat states as Ukraine as semi-colonies”. What do you think about that?

Gagnon: Well, I would use the word “pawns” in the larger global chessboard, they’re people and places to be played with in a larger grand chess game. I think “pawns” is a word I would use.

Robles: How would the US react if people blockaded Obama from entering the White House or from leaving the White House? Because this happened a few days ago in Ukraine..

Gagnon: They would have their heads beat up and would be arrested and put in jail.

Robles: And how would the US react if then other countries came and told them to stop abusing these hooligans?

Gagnon: Well, let’s just look at recently when we had the Occupy Movement across the US and the word came out, after the police went in and started going into community after community after community and busting people's heads with sticks and arresting them, spraying them with pepper spray and tearing the camps apart, destroying the Occupation camps.

It's pretty clear we learned that a lot of this came out of the White House, Obama had issued directives saying that he wanted this shut down because it was beginning to become a political problem. And I think frankly (and I don't excuse this because I'm a protester, I was member of the Occupy Movement) again I think all of us have various disagreements with our governments.

I'm sure people in Ukraine have disagreements with their government. I'm sure people in Russia have disagreements with their government.

My point is that I'm an American citizen and I don't think my country has the right to go into the Ukraine and go into Russia or China, or Africa and interfere with what's happening in those countries. And I know my government does that all the time.

So all I can do I can't fight various governments around the world, I live here in the US so I have responsibility to deal with my own government and I'm doing the best I can.

Robles: There is supposed to be a revival in the Occupy Movement coming up this Spring, this time they are going to launch (I don't know if you know about this) but it is coming up in Spring instead of launching in September like they did last time.

Gagnon: Actually I think the new Pope, Francis, has done a lot to re-enliven the Occupy message around the world, but in particular here in the US.

So I can see that already new energy is coming out of the grass roots because of the work of, the words of, the New Pope who has really been critiquing capitalism and the excesses and the brutality and the cold heartedness of capitalism, the way it just uses and abuses people and the environment. The way it uses up the environment as a commodity and just throws it away.

So I think there is new energy for the Occupy Movement in America.

That was the end of Part I of an interview with Bruce Gagnon, coordinator of the Global Network Against Weapons and Nuclear Power in Space, You can find the next part of this interview on our website at Thank you very much for listening and I wish you the best wherever you may be.

  US/NATO missile defense key to first strike - Part Two

Download audio file  27 December 2013, 11:10

US "missile defense" is the key element in US first-strike attack planning. After the US launches a first-strike attack against a country like Russia or China they want to ensure that there is no retaliation, in effect guaranteeing a successful first-strike attack. This was stated by Bruce Gagnon the Coordinator for the Global Network Against Weapons and Nuclear Power in Space in an interview with the Voice of Russia. Mr. Gagnon is an expert in US weapons system and proliferation and has been an activist against militarization for decades. He also said that the US needs to stop spending trillions on weapons and start using the money to help deal with the reality of climate change as well as improve infrastructure if we are to have a future for our children and our grandchildren. He also reminded us of the teaching of the native Americans who believed that every decision we make has to be based on the impact to the next seven generations.

You are listening to Part II of an interview with Bruce Gagnon, the coordinator of the Global Network Against Weapons and Nuclear Power in Space. You can find the previous part pf this interview on our website at This interview is in progress.

Robles: It's interesting you'd mentioned that, yesterday Gennady Zyuganov, the leader of Communist Party here in Russia, was speaking on TV, he gave an interview and he said that the principles of the Catholic Church and the Church in general of humanism and caring for people are almost the same as socialist ideals.

Gagnon: If the Catholic Church would just sell all of their gold artifacts that surround the Pope that would help to be able to reduce poverty in a big way all over the planet.

Robles: Yeah. That is true. Back, if we could, to the weapons. You've given us some really interesting information about weapons systems. I remember you informed us about the space drones. We're talking about hypersonic missiles and first-strike weapons and all of the stuff that is being put together in the guise of a "defensive shield". Can you give us more details about the shield, the missiles, what is going into it and what the real dangers are?

Gagnon: So-called missile defense, this is a system that has had a long life ever since the days of Ronald Reagan. Bill Clinton kept it alive, George Bush the second kept it going, Obama now continues it. And the funding for it has held steady and continues to grow over the years.

The whole idea of quote unquote "missile defense" in the real world: it is the key element in US first-strike attack planning, after the US launches a first-strike attack against another country like Russia or China. They want to ensure that there is no retaliation, right? The US wants a successful first-strike attack.

So by surrounding Russia and China with the so-called missile defense systems. What they do is they say: "After we hit Russia or China with a first-strike attack, they then try to fire their remaining retaliatory capability". And the US would them pick that off, pick off that retaliatory strike with these missile defense systems.

They would be ground-based, be put right now into Poland and Romania, there are radars going into several places and then there would also be sea-based. The US is putting these missile defense systems on navy destroyers that are going to be sent into the Mediterranean, into the Baltic, into the Bering and Barents Seas.

So clearly the US intention is to, and in as many ways as possible, encircle Russia and they are doing the same thing with China, they are putting these missile defense systems on the ground and on ships in Taiwan and South Korea, in Japan, in Okinawa, in Guam.

So, they are beginning the same kind of coastal encirclement of China with these missile defense systems.

So what is Russia or China to do? Well, Russia has early said that "it is not in our interest now to reduce the number of nuclear weapons when you are creating the so-called missile defense system to essentially take out our retaliatory capability".

So, Russia is saying "we think, we might have to step back from some of these treaties that reduce our retaliatory capability", that of course means we're off to new arms raise. At the same time the US is working on what they call "global strike weapons". And these are the weapons that Putin talked about in his big speech yesterday, that would be able to go from one end of the Earth to the other in a first strike capacity but not necessarily carrying a nuclear warheads.

The US would have bunker-buster missiles, for example, and their job would be to reach the other side of the world in a very short period of time and then burrow underground and destroy underground missile silos.

When Russia sees, or China sees, these global strike weapons coming through space towards them: do they know whether they are nuclear weapons or do they know whether they are conventional warheads? No. And so it is still the same reaction necessitated by the part of the country being attacked.

So the US knows that these new global strike systems are very destabilizing and they are going to create a new arms race but that is what they want to do.

They want to do it for two reasons. Number one is they want to say: "Look, Russia and China are building up their military, they are bad. We need more, we should be afraid of them. We here in the US need more". And that is exactly what they are saying today.

And secondly, of course, it means that we have to cut more and more social programs in the US to fund these new military programs in a way that obviously the US, its moves are helping to create these counter moves which then justify further US military expansion. It's all a big shell game on the part of the military industrial complex.

Robles: Now; social spending in the US, I don't think there is too much more they can actually cut, do you?

Gagnon: They are getting down to the bone, but there still is some. They are trying to privatize public education now and that means that the corporations would take over public education and they would do a corporate brainwashing, teaching children that capitalism is the "Holy Grail".

It would become like a religion even stronger than it already is in this country. So that is one goal to continue to defund public education.

They are dying to get a hold of people's Social Security there, the meager retirement fund that we have in this country, one of the few socialized programs we have. And they are just dying to get their hands on that money.

Robles: I thought they've already had.

Gagnon: Well, no. People love Social Security and people don't want it touched. They've touched it but they haven't taken it apart yet.

Robles: I see. I think it is the only security that Americans have when they get old. That is it.

Gagnon: The corporations have gone after the private pension plans, because these private pension plans get invested in Wall Street and when Wall Street goes down, people lose money in their private pension plans. And so what the capitalism wants to do, what Wall Street wants to do is to get rid of self-security and move all that money into Wall Street so they can just steal it from the people.

But I have a friend who lost 40% of his retirement savings that is invested by the corporations that run these private retirement programs, it gets invested in Wall Street. He lost 40% of his life-time savings because of the shenanigans on Wall Street. This is a kind of thing that is going on today.

Robles: Have you seen anything linking NSA to space defense and NATO expansion and satellite surveillance and all that..

Gagnon: Sure it is all part of it. Two of the bigger NSA listening stations are Menwith Hill up in Yorkshire, England and Pine Gap in the outback in Australia. Those are two of the biggest US NSA spy bases and the very same bases are involved in flying drones, they are involved in espionage, both against the people of Asia or Europe and against companies, corporations in Europe for example, that are bidding against American corporations.

US is spying on those with the NSA spy base at Menwith Hill up in Northern England. And this has been brought to the EU in fact during the George W. Bush Administration, EU sent people to Washington to talk to Bush about it and he refused to meet with them to discuss this US industrial espionage. So the NSA, it is tied into all of that stuff, it is tied into surveillance, it is tied into war fighting, it is all playing the same shtick.

Robles: And it is all serving who? Just the military/ industrial/pharmaceutical/corporate/banking complex or…? What are we going to call it now?

Gagnon: Yeah, what I like to call increasingly: the corporate–criminal syndicate. Yeah, the interlocking boards of directors and don't forget the media corporations, the oil corporations. That what it is about.

Robles: Scary part is the media part for me. I mean, there is like a war going on journalist now and it is coming from all sides, even though we are Russian state media we sometimes feel it here.

Gagnon: When people get in power, they don't like anybody knowing what they do. So no matter what country you are from, I think everybody understands that.

We in the US are working hard to create our own media, alternative media, so that is a big task that we all take on.

I do it, I have a TV show that plays on 14 stations across the State of Maine where I live. I have a daily blog that a lot of people read. And in fact some of my best readership I think is coming out of your show to be honest with you, because since I've been a couple of times on your show and I've been picking up all these readers on my blog from countries like Bulgaria, Romania, Ukraine.

Robles: Great.

Gagnon: It is amazing, you know. So I don't know how else they would have heard about this show than maybe Voice of Russia. It's pretty amazing.

Robles: Well, thank you. I'm glad that we are appreciated by somebody. Get a lot of comments like that from a lot of people who have very real and very important things to say, but US mass media doesn't want to hear it. Bruce, anything else do you think we should get into?

Gagnon: All I can say is that all of us everywhere, in every country have to continue to demand the end of the militarization of the planet. Because we face one common enemy today, that is called climate change. What we saw recently happen in the Philippines, the severe weather that is happening everywhere on the planet today. It is getting worse every season.

Robles: But that is the elephant in the room: no one wants to talk about it. I know, we are losing islands, we are losing territory, we are losing hundreds of kilometers of land every day due to rising sea levels, but no one wants to talk about that.

Gagnon: My feeling is that we need to all be focused globally, all of us need to be focused on: stop wasting our money on militarism, on more weapons. We need to use that money to help us deal with this coming reality of climate change.

I mean, in my country we need a national rail system to get us out of our gas guzzling cars that help contribute to climate change. And so we continue to call for the conversion of the weapons productions system so that we can do something else, build something else, build rail, build solar, build a solar society, imagine putting solar devices on every house and business in the USA, imagine the jobs created doing that, imagine how much less oil we'd need when we do that.

So, the use of the kind of things that we all have got to demand if we are going to have a future for our children and our grandchildren. That's what we need to be talking about.

The native Americans talked about every decision we make has to be based on the impact to the next seven generations. So all this money on star wars and space technology and space weapons technology – my country is leading the way.

China and the EU, and Russia, India think about the money that has been wasted on this incredibly stupid plan to militarize space.

That was the end of Part II of an interview with Bruce Gagnon,  coordinator of the Global Network Against Weapons and Nuclear Power in Space. Thank you very much for listening and I wish you the best wherever you may be.

US/NATO Preparing to Battle Russia for the Arctic - Part Three

Download audio file  11 January, 2014 18:04

According to the National Society of Engineers of America 60% of the roads and bridges in America are falling apart and there is no money to fix them, something which will lead to a complete collapse of transportation infrastructure. Unemployment, under-employment, the loss of jobs and the non-creation of new jobs are also extremely serious problems which are not being address by the government or the corporations and the military industrial complex which controls it. These issues are reaching a crisis level, however the US still has trillions to spend on surveillance and the military industrial complex.

The US also continues with their complete and total disconnect from reality refusing to invest in important strategic infrastructure and alternative energy sources that will save the country when the oil and gas runs out and continues planning for wars and invasions in order to satisfy the voracious insatiable hunger for resources that huge oil corporations have, the profiting on which they refuse to let go.

In an interview with the Voice of Russia Bruce Gagnon, the coordinator for the Global Network Against Weapons and Nuclear Power in Space and a lifetime activist fighting for social justice, spoke on all of these issues nd more. As the profiteering continues and the US plans to continue their resource wars, the US has now pulled in once neutral Canada. Canada, under pressure from the US, according to Mr. Gagnon, has recently been forced to make the largest military appropriation in its history to build warships that are going to be sent into the Arctic to help the US and NATO battle Russia over control of the Arctic.

According to Mr. Gagnon a serious conflict with Russia is in the making as Sweden, Norway, Denmark and even Finland are being brought in as part of a US program to control the extraction of oil and natural gas from the Arctic region.

The type of myopic- short-term thinking and refusal to plan for the future show a disconnect from our Mother Earth, and according to Mr. Gagnon and many others who hold to the beliefs of the American Indians, we have a responsibility to the future generations to protect the Earth and we do not have the right to be so uncaring about the future generations.

Hello! This is John Robles, I'm speaking with Mr. Bruce Gagnon. He is the coordinator for the Global Network Against Weapons and Nuclear Power  in Space. This is part 3 of an interview in progress.

Robles: Well, Russia now, they are talking about spending up to $702 billion. Now, that could go into a lot of infrastructure and social development and betterment.

Gagnon: And you know, studies show, there is a university here in the US, the Economics Department did a study where they clearly showed that the worst way to create jobs is military spending. And so, I'm sure in every country jobs is a big issue today, right?

Robles: Yes, sure!

Gagnon: So, if you want to create more jobs, you have to move the money away from the military which doesn't create as many jobs.

For example, if my country instead of building weapons, if we build a national rail system – we would more than double the number of jobs that would be created with the same amount of money. More than double the number of jobs! So, that's where we ought to be heading. It is good for the economy, it is good for workers, it is good for the environment….

Robles: There is another very good reason for building rail infrastructure in the US; it is strategically important, because the US, due to the road transportation and all the trucks and the system now, the US is completely dependent on oil. And I know US truck drivers love to say: "Without trucks America stops!" Well that's the truth. The whole country would collapse if there wasn't oil to drive the trade and the cargo and the food that is being transferred over the road.

Gagnon: And a lot of our communities now, to be honest with you, the National Society of Engineers of America have said that 60% of the roads and bridges in America are falling apart and there is no money to fix them. So, we are going to have a literal collapse of this infrastructure in this country…

Robles: Well, there is money to fix it, it is just being put into the pockets of the owners of KBR and McDonnel Douglas and General Dynamics, and everybody else.

Gagnon: Yes, exactly.

Robles: But of course, for the bridge that is going to connect your town to the rest of the civilized world that doesn't matter.

What you said about the Indians and seven generations ahead reminds me, in stark, contrast of one of the quotes by George H. W. Bush that sticks in my mind. Somebody had asked him; "Don't you think about the future, don't you think about your children or what you are going to leave behind?" He said: "No, I don't really care what is here in a hundred years, I won't be around." And that seems to characterize the whole thing.

Gagnon: And that is kind of a sickness, you know. It is a spiritual sickness, a disconnection from our Mother Earth, when people don't understand how we all come from this Mother Earth and that we return to it when we die, and that the only way the future generations have a chance at life is if we – those who are living today – keep the fires burning for all the people.

And when we think back through human history, through the ice ages and droughts, and plagues, and famines, and wars – the reason why you and I are here today living and breathing is because our previous relatives made all kinds of sacrifices and faced all kinds of challenges to get us here. And we don't have the right (we don't have the right) to be so uncaring about the future generations. And so, it just makes me angry when I hear people talk like that.

Robles: It is because you are a good man, that's why.

Gagnon: I try.

Robles: Well, you don't have to try. You either are, I guess, or you aren't. Bruce, anything big you want to finish up with or?

Gagnon: I'd just like to invite people to check out our website, which is

Robles: And can you tell us what activities are you guys doing right now? What are you active in?

Gagnon: We are doing a lot of support work around the world where people are fighting against the US bases, this whole anti-base movement. In particular, in Italy right now and in South Korea there are strong campaigns against the US bases that are tied into this whole missile defense.

Robles: How many US bases are there now in the world?

Gagnon: Somewhere between 800 and 1,000 all over the planet. So, we are doing work on that. We are doing work on missile defense, which we spoke about. We are doing work on drones. And ultimately, we are doing work trying to stop the corporate control of our democracy.

Our democracy is being "drowned in the bathtub" by the corporations and they have taken control of our nation. And so, we are fighting back on that as well, both locally and regionally, and across the country, and around the world, because these same corporations obviously have gone global and now these same corporations want to take over Ukraine, they want to take over Russia, they want to take over China, they want to take over the African continent so they can control resource extraction. So, it is work against the corporate criminal syndicate.

Robles: Last question really quick about the Arctic, have you heard anything interesting going on?

Gagnon: Well, the US has got Canada to appropriate the largest military appropriation in the history of Canada – to build warships that are going to be sent up into the Arctic to help the US and NATO battle Russia over control of the Arctic.

And Sweden is being brought into this, Norway is being brought into this, Denmark is being brought into this, they want to bring Finland into this. But clearly, that's a major-major issue on the US agenda and Canada will be very much a part of the US program at this point to really try to control the extraction of oil and natural gas out of the Arctic region. And so, a conflict with Russia is in the making, clearly.

Robles: Okay. Well, let's hope not. Bruce, thank you very much, I really appreciate you taking the time to speak with us.

Gagnon: Thank you John.

That was the end of an interview with Bruce Gagnon – the coordinator for the Global Network Against Weapons and Nuclear Power in Space . Thanks for listening and I wish you the best, wherever you may be.

The American people are now the enemy of the state - Part One

Download audio file   27 September, 2013 07:31  

In the US, the corporate military industrial complex has completely taken over the Government. After the events of 9-11 the US Constitution has been completely shredded, leaving the American population the most surveilled, subjugated and restricted in the world. What was once considered the land of the free has now become the land of the surveilled, with average Americans afraid to do anything to protest a government which is out of control and looking after its own interests and not those of the people. Despite the almost complete and total surveillance state that has been implemented in the US, defense contractors, firms and governments continue to seek billions of dollars to develop even more means to surveil and control the populace, the classifying of peace activists and anyone who opposes the paradigm as terrorists is something the US populace has grown accustomed to. The Voice of Russia's John Robles spoke to long-time peace activist Bruce Gagnon on these issues and much more.

Hello! This is John Robles, you are listening to an interview with Bruce Gagnon the coordinator for the Global Network Against Weapons and Nuclear Power in Space.

Robles: Hello Bruce! How are you?

Gagnon: I’m fine!

Robles: Can you tell our listeners about the Maine Drone Peace Walk? What is that all about?

Gagnon: It is a nine-day peace walk that we are going to start up in the very northern part of Maine where our Government has announced that they are trying to put up a weaponized drone test center.

So, our concerns are two: we are concerned about the domestic surveillance use of drones and, at the same time, we are obviously very concerned about the US military and the CIA using drones in Central Asia and Africa, on the African continent where they are killing and increasingly large numbers of civilians.

We are really reacting to President Obama and Congress’ announcement that 30,000 drones will be flying around the United States doing surveillance of the American people in the coming years.

In fact, 37 states have applied to be one of six drone test centers across the country and more than 500 drone manufacturing corporations are now bidding to be recipients of Pentagon funds.

Last spring here in Maine we worked with the ACLU (the American Civil Liberties Union) to try to get a bill passed in our state legislature that would require police to have warrants before they could spy on anyone with drones, and the Attorney General of Maine, a Democrat, tried to kill the bill and she began talking about drones being, quote: “… an economic driver here in Maine”. And it was then that we learned that up in the Aroostook County, one of the northern counties in the state, this is where they wanted to have a weaponized drone test center.

The bill eventually did pass the state legislature, primarily because there was a sort of a conjunction of interests between Democrats and Republicans. There are a lot of Republicans now, that are… grassroots Republicans that are very concerned, as well, about drone surveillance. So, they pressured their party leaders and the bill passed. But the Attorney General was able to get an amendment to the bill which had an exemption for weaponized drone testing up in the northern part of the state, something we weren’t obviously very happy about.

But then the Governor, a Republican Tea Party conservative Governor vetoed the bill anyway. So, in the end nothing passed. And so, it was out of that that we in Maine Veterans for Peace group that I belong to, as well as at the Bring our War Dollars Home Campaign here in Maine, which I co-coordinate, we decided to organize this walk through significant parts of the state in order to really help the public better understand this drone issue and how our privacy is really in danger, as well as how the militarization or the weaponization of these drones, both in this country and around the world, would be a growing problem.

Robles: Is the facility still going to be built there or is it cancelled?

Gagnon: The bill that the Governor vetoed was the surveillance warrant bill, and they had attached to it a provisal, allowing for a weaponized drone test center. But it has not yet been established.

Right now, actually, they don’t want to talk about it. The media doesn’t cover it, nobody in the Government is talking much about it, but we were lucky that we learned about it during those hearings last spring.

So, right now everything is sort of back to square one and we felt that it would be important to just literally walk across the state. And we are going to have a good number of people joining us to really bring this issue to the public.


Robles: In the US, they normally have to have a warrant to spy on someone if they tap the phone lines or if they run surveillance on someone, right? So, why are drones different?

Gagnon: You know, they are saying that drones are no different from helicopters. They use helicopters to chase suspects and identify suspects, and they don’t necessarily need a warrant for that. But they really fear the warrant requirements across the country.

There is a lot of organization going on, demanding that police be made to use warrants. But increasingly we’ve learned in these NSA disclosures by Edward Snowden, has helped us all learn that a lot of this spying is going on without warrants, whether it is phone, fax, e-mail communications, So they are intercepting all those communications and they don’t have a warrant for any of that, really.

So, I think they are violating all of our constitutional rights. Our Constitution is being shredded now daily in this country. It started during the Bush administration and it’s accelerated under the Obama administration. So, it is really important for activists like us, who live and breathe because, supposedly, we have rights of assembly and free speech and other such things.

So, we are literally fighting for our rights in this country right now. And by getting out on the street and walking across our state, it will help the public be more aware of this issue because the corporate dominated media isn’t really covering it much anymore either. So, we literally have to get out on the street in order to bring it to the people.

Robles: I think the US Constitution, after 9-11 was pushed to the side. One quick point here, if you could comment on it: now, what you were talking about, helicopters and suspects, that would be something like a hot pursuit situation, right, where of course they have a cause, but I think that's a false reasoning to implement these drones, that they will be used for that, I think that’s pretty obvious, and then, them trying to tag this into another bill, is like what they do with so many of the other things that they are trying to get away with, by attaching things to defense bills and stuff. Can you comment on that, on the fact that they are trying to sneak this in on the people and what you are doing to fight that?

Gagnon: It is becoming more and more prevalent in our world here today in the US, that they are doing everything possible to find new ways to restrict our freedoms, to spy on us, surveil us, to monitor us, to intercept our communications. And I think, unfortunately, a lot of the public has begun to feel overwhelmed by it and sort of depressed by it and feeling like there isn’t anything we can do about it and that we are just going to have to get used to it.

You often hear people say: “Well, as long as you don’t do anything wrong, you don’t have anything to worry about.”

But of course, what they don’t understand is that when you get politically active, because you don’t like our wars, or you don’t appreciate the collapse of the economy and the way that the rich are getting richer, and the poor are increasingly getting poorer and the Government is cutting back on social spending, so, when you move into opposing things, you start being identified as… frankly, some government agencies are now calling people like us terrorists. They are using the word “terrorist” to describe nonviolent activists who are out in the streets, who are organizing the public on all these kinds of issues.

We are frequently hearing the word “terrorist” used as a justification for this kind of monitoring that is happening to us in an increasing manner. So, they are always trying to sneak in new ways, new technologies in order to carry out this corporate agenda of cracking down on our democracy in this country.

Robles: They’ve been labeling any independent country or anyone who is not under their control “terrorists” since 9-11. I also read, if you could comment on this, you were mentioning being labeled enemies of the state, recently there was some FEMA legislation that was passed that would allow them to incarcerate massive amounts of Americans if there was something like a large uprising against US war policies. Are you familiar with that?

Gagnon: For some years now there has been legislation and administrative decrees made by both the Bush Administration and even the Obama Administration essentially giving the Government unlimited powers to suspend the Constitution in any time of national emergency that is very broadly defined and could become a justification at any time. So, yes indeed, they now have these powers in this country and we increasingly are worried about it, because what we also see is the militarization of local police forces.

Local police forces are almost becoming indistinguishable from the US military and you have a growing number of local policemen who have been either through the National Guard or through the regular military. They’ve been deployed in war zones and they often come back feeling that they have the freedom and latitude to treat American citizens the way they’ve been treating people in the war zone, neither of which is acceptable. But they come back and increasingly we are seeing daily, we see stories of police overreacting, shooting people, killing people, beating people all over the country and not just people of color anymore, they are reaching now into white communities, middle class communities.

So, it is just becoming a crescendo of police brutality across the country, as they are trained in these ways of military tactics and everything else and they are starting to act like that. So, there is a real growing anger across the country about how local police are becoming militarized. And people clearly understand that this is being pointed to us, directly at us, that the American people have now become the enemy of this corporate state that intends to clamp down on us.

And so, these drones then become just another tool, a very significant tool to give them the capability to not only identify one person, but with this technology that they now have, via satellites they are able to literally see and monitor an entire city all at one time. They’ve used this in Afghanistan, Iraq and now they are bringing those technologies back to the United States and they are going to use them against us.

You were listening to part one of an interview with Bruce Gagnon – the coordinator for the Global Network Against Weapons and Nuclear Power in Space. Please check our website in the near future for the rest of this interview.

Press release from the Global Network Against Weapons & Nuclear Power in Space regarding the upcoming events in protest of drone surveillance in the US state of Maine:

Maine Drone Peace Walk

Preserve Our Privacy: No Drone Spying in Maine

Limestone to Bath October 10-19

Contact: Bruce Gagnon (207) 443-9502 (office) or (904) 501-4494 (cell)

Peace activists from Maine and beyond will walk through large portions of our state from October 10-19 in order to bring the issue of drone surveillance at home and drone killing overseas to the public’s attention. The walk will begin in Limestone in Aroostook County and end in Bath.

President Obama has announced that as many as 30,000 drones will be flying around the US doing surveillance of the American people in the coming years. Thirty-seven states have applied to host one of six military drone test centers across the nation.

There is much talk about bringing drones to Maine and making the Presque Isle airport a weaponized drone test center, thus the reason for starting the walk in Aroostook County.

Last spring the Maine legislature passed a bill that would require police to obtain a warrant before snooping on citizens across the state. Gov. LePage vetoed the bill.

According to Lisa Savage, co-coordinator of the Maine Campaign to Bring Our War $$ Home, “This walk is important to raise awareness of how the government spends our tax dollars on very expensive drones to keep us all under surveillance. Drones are being used to kill thousands of innocent civilians, including hundreds of children, around the world. People here in the U.S. say they want their tax dollars spent on health care, education, jobs and veterans benefits -- not drones.”

Doug Rawlings from Maine Veterans For Peace said, “As I walk down these Maine roads that I have driven for the past 35 years, I will be going past bridges and schools that have been built since World War II military expenditures were converted over into infrastructure funds. My father's generation put away the munitions and started building the country that has given us the life we now lead. Over forty years ago I served in an artillery unit in the Central Highlands of Vietnam. Our howitzers dropped rounds on countless Vietnamese peasants, and I didn't blink an eye. Now I realize the anguish we wrought then, and visit now on Afghan and Pakistani children with our Predator drones. I cannot, in good conscience, accept or support such a use of my tax dollars.”

The drone walk begins in Limestone on October 10 and will pass through Caribou, Presque Isle, Old Town, Bangor, Skowhegan, Mercer, Farmington, Waterville, Belgrade, Augusta and Bath. (Some driving will be necessary between some of these communities. The walk will average about 13 miles per day. In the evenings walkers will be fed at local churches and will stay in local homes.)

On October 18 the walkers will hold a protest against drones inside the Hall of Flags at the state capital in Augusta at 3:00 pm.

The walk will conclude on October 19 with a 10:00 am protest in Bath at the “christening” of the Navy’s first “stealth” destroyer at Bath Iron Works.

Buddhist monks and nuns from the Nipponzan Myohoji order will lead the non-violent peace walk.

The walk is being organized by Maine Veterans For Peace and the Maine Campaign to Bring Our War $$ Home. The walk will be held during Keep Space for Peace Week and is just one of many such events that will be held around the world.

The daily schedule and entire walk route can be found at:

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Global Network Against Weapons & Nuclear Power in Space

PO Box 652

Brunswick, ME 04011

(207) 443-9502 (blog)

US Government engaged in genocide of the poor - Part Two

Download audio file   27 September, 15:36  

In an effort to robotize their war machine the United States has now turned fighter jets into drones. The US plans to convert their entire air force into a drone fleet from bombers to fighters, which will allow them to conduct secret “antiseptic” wars. The broadening of drone usage and the continuation of the endless war that the US is engaged in has become the object of bi-partisan ire with Republicans now “laying out an articulation that is identical to the one” that peace activists and Liberals use. Americans are saying we have: “… no jobs in our community. Our roads are falling apart, our bridges are falling apart, our schools are falling apart,” yet they want to launch another war. According to Bruce Gagnon, in an interview with the Voice of Russia, citing a nazi (sic) paper titled: ”The Caloric Reduction Intake Schedule in Hitler’s Warsaw, Poland”, the US Government is engaged in a modern day genocide of the poorest populations in the US by cutting Food Stamps, healthcare and other kinds of such programs that people need in order to survive. The upper 1% wants to eliminate the “superfluous populations” because there are no jobs anymore in the US and these people are a liability.

Hello! This is John Robles, you are listening to an interview with Bruce Gagnon – the coordinator for the Global Network Against Weapons and Nuclear Power in Space. This is part two of an interview in progress. You can find the previous parts on our website at

Robles: About a week ago Boeing and the US Air Force, they actually turned an F-16 fighter into a drone. Have you heard about that?

Gagnon: Yeah, yeah, I have.

Robles: Where do you think that is going? Are they going to be launching their wars of aggression now with F-16 fighters?

Gagnon: It is clear that the Pentagon wants to, by the year 2025, turn their entire air force into a drone air force. They say that they want to be able to land drones on aircraft carriers, they want to have them for, essentially all of their military, fighter aircraft and other aircraft bombers, bombers, to be drones. They believe that it will save them money in the long run and that they won’t have to, quote unquote: “put any pilots at risk” this way.

This is one thing. I think what is driving all of this is the military industrial complex, it is a whole new variety of weapon systems that they can develop and to make more money. So, I think that’s bottom line what is driving it.

Robles: They could launch a war from a bunker somewhere in Virginia and it could all be run by computers. And they could, I see a worst case scenario, one person could just bomb an entire country.

Gagnon: Well, it would take a few more people to run the whole show. But clearly, they are trying to be able to run, quote unquote: “antiseptic wars”. They want to able to essentially, have wars that the American people would never really know were going on, because there are no body bags coming home and everything else. But the bottom line, the Achilles' Heel of this whole thing is money. This country is falling apart.

It was fascinating to watch the anti-Syria efforts by the American people across the country. I saw a Republican saying… (you know, I’m talking about grassroots, ranking-file republican in conservative states that always vote Republican, places like Oklahoma), … laying out an articulation that was identical to the one that we use.

I heard one woman say: “Hey, look, we’ve got no jobs in our community. Our roads are falling apart, our bridges are falling apart, our schools are falling apart. We don’t want to spend any more money on any more of these wars”.

So, the people are figuring this out. And again, because of that this makes them dangerous to the corporate oligarchy that runs this country.

Robles: How far-fetched do you think it is that once they feel threatened enough, they will start attempting to implement these FEMA plans, to start incarcerating mass numbers of the population? How threatened do you think there are going to be? Or do you think that will never happen?

Gagnon: I think that’s the last resort, but I think it is conceivable. I think there is something else that they are doing immediately. And that is to try to thin up the population.

I’ll never forget, when I was in college I got a part-time job working for a woman who was disabled. She was writing a book on the many different forms of genocide. And she had me go to the library and make copies of different pages of books for her.

And one of them that I did was a page called the; ”The Caloric Reduction Intake Schedule in Hitler’s Warsaw, Poland”. And what it was, it was a graph where they charted over a period of years...

The Nazis, they said:”If we reduce the caloric intake of the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto in Poland, we will be able to kill them, they will die and so we don’t have to gas them, nobody will know that we are gassing them, this way we can kill them over a period of time.”

And so, just in the past week the Congress voted to cut Food Stamps for the poorest of people in this country. It was already too low. The amount of food stamps they were getting was already way too low. People were already running out of food by the third week in the month. But now that’s being cut back even further.

And I would submit that the Government knows exactly what they are doing. And by doing this, they are thinning out the population – by cutting food stamps, by cutting healthcare, by cutting other kinds of such programs that people need in order to survive, because there are no jobs anymore in this country.

The Government knows that over a period of time these poor people and lower income people are going to die earlier, and it is a way to thin out the population. I think it is a form of genocide that is already under way in this country. The concentration camps are the last resort, but in the intervening years they are going to try to thin up the population.

Robles: Do you think that’s possibly why they are promoting this gay marriage business? That’s another way to cut down the population, if you destroy the family unit and destroy the belief that family is a man and a woman who can create children.

Gagnon: I wouldn’t say so. I think that our country has just evolved to a point where we really believe that you have to respect everyone’s dignity, that you have to respect everyone’s choice for who they want to be in love with. I don’t think there should be any penalty for anyone just because they love someone. So, I think that’s really what is happening, especially amongst the younger generation.

Robles: So, they are trying to get rid of just the poor people, or who do you think they’re… ?

Gagnon: Yeah, yeah, that's what I call the “superfluous populations”. Because of computerization, mechanization, robotics and outsourcing they don’t need all these people in this country anymore, and especially, you don’t want to educate them because then they become potential revolutionaries against the system.

So, you cut education, you dumb down the population (they’ve been working on that for years. They are now moving to privatize education, corporatize it, basically to reduce people’s ability to think critically) and then, from there begin to take away healthcare and nutrition programs and things like that, even for senior citizens (they are cutting back on a program called Meals on Wheels, where volunteers deliver prepared meals to senior citizens).

Robles: Right. To shuts-ins…

Gagnon: They are cutting back on those programs. So, seniors are going to die earlier, poor people of all ages… Most poor people are children in this country. And when you don’t get a good meal, you go to school and you don’t learn as well. Scientists have proven that to be the case. So, it is clearly a program to thin out the population.

Robles: So, the poor struggling masses yearning to breathe free have become a liability for the upper 1%.

Gagnon: Yeah, they are not needed. Again, they are superfluous and they don’t want them around.

Robles: I read some stuff on these FEMA camps. I don’t know how much you know about them. I mean, there are a lot of conspiracy theories going on. There was one interesting location that was filmed on the Internet in Indiana. And apparently they had like these color-coded gates. Red was for instant disposal, blue was like for reprogramming and yellow or something was for whatever they needed to do. It was just like disposable people. Have you heard anything about that?

Gagnon: I don’t know about that particular situation. But I’ve seen this stuff about the FEMA camps for years. And I don’t in any way doubt that it is true.

Those camps could be used for locking up immigrants, because there is a strong anti-immigrant effort within some portions of the leadership in the country. Or they could be used to lock up activists like myself when the clamp comes down.

So, I personally would say that I think it is all possible, all conceivable but at this point in time I don’t believe that’s happening. But it is conceivable that it could.

Let’s remember that during WW II the Japanese were rounded up and placed in similar camps. They had property taken away from them, they were locked in camps, they lost everything they owned just because they were Japanese.

Our Government rounded up Indians, put them on reservations and to this day they are still the poorest people in the country, they’ve never recovered from that experience. So, our Government has done this kind of thing before…

Robles: It was founded on that.

Gagnon: Yeah! And then, they used the same model in Vietnam when they created these enclaves to supposedly protect the Vietnamese people, but the reason why they were really doing it was to control the population during that war. So, you know, I don’t put anything past our Government, frankly.

You were listening to part two of an interview with Bruce Gagnon the coordinator for the Global Network Against Weapons and Nuclear Power in Space. This is part two of an interview in progress. You can find the previous parts to this interview on our website at

There is something going on across America right now - Part Three

Download audio file   29 September, 2013 03:31

A corporate criminal syndicate made up of the military industrial complex and its related banking, media, pharmaceutical and other subsidiaries, is controlling the United States, according to Bruce Gagnon in an interview with the Voice of Russia. According to polls the American people are more interested in building infrastructure and helping their fellow citizens than supporting the paradigm of endless wars. Bruce Gagnon, the coordinator for the Global Network Against Weapons and Nuclear Power in Space spoke to the Voice of Russia on these issues and more.

Robles: How do you feel personally, as a human being, that your own Government would consider you an enemy because you oppose a war?

Gagnon: I am beyond being surprised. You know, my father was in the military and I grew up as sort of a young patriot. I joined the Air Force myself during the Vietnam War. I was a young republican for Nixon in 1968.

So, my whole adult life has been one lesson after the other in what my Government is capable of doing.

When I was young I wanted to be an FBI agent, so I could fight organized crime.

Today, I realize that what I do in fact is fighting organized crime. I’m fighting against the criminal… what I call the corporate criminal syndicate; the military industrial complex and its related banking, and media, and pharmaceutical, and subsidiaries.

So, nothing surprises me anymore at this point in my life.

Robles: You’ve just said something that I think more and more and more people are beginning to realize. I think once most of the population understands who exactly is in control, maybe something can be done to stop funding them and take away that power they have, but I don’t know.

Gagnon: Polls are showing that people are with us on these issues. They want to cut the military budget, they want to convert the weapons production system, they want to build rail systems rather than weapons for endless wars, they want to deal with the coming effects of climate change, that we are seeing more and more around us. But we have this very serious obstacle in the Congress where the corporations control the politicians. It is a money game.

And we’ve lost our democracy in this country. We go around the world talking about it, lecturing other countries about it – about freedom and democracy, and everything else – but our country is a huge hypocrite. We are not the only country in the world that is a phony-baloney, but I happen to be an American citizen, so I feel like it is my job to try to change my own country before I go around the world lecturing other people about what they should do.

Robles: How much news is there in the United States regarding Syria and the fact that the US is supporting terrorists there? How much of an outrage would there be, if people realize that 426 children were slaughtered to create a pretext for a war? I mean, if it is found that the US is somehow involved in that or the corporations or the Rothschilds or whoever you want to blame for that.

Gagnon: If it ever really came to light that that’s what happened, I think there would be a huge reaction. And that's why the Obama team and their allies in France and England, and Saudi Arabia, and Turkey are working so hard to keep a lid on all of that.

I don’t know exactly what happened over there, but I’m inclined to believe that this was a rigged deal. But I will say this, that, again, this recent effort in this country to stop the Congress from giving Obama permission to attack Syria was remarkable, because we could not have stopped this attack without the support of the Republican rank and file across the country.

Alan Grayson, the Liberal Democrat from Orlando, Florida, reported that in the House of Representatives Democrats were four to one opposed to the attack.

Robles: Four to one!?

Gagnon: Republicans were ten to one opposed to the attack in the House. So, the Republicans were stronger in opposition to the attack.

Some people say – well, that's just because they don’t like Obama, they wanted to see him defeated. But again, what we were hearing from the people across the country, from conservative states, was identical articulation and they were talking about this very question.

They were talking about that we are arming Al Qaeda. So, that word is now getting out across the country and we have to thank the Internet for that. We can’t thank the American corporate media for that, but it is the Internet that has helped get that information out to the people.

Robles: That’s the first time I’ve heard there were such wide margins. I mean, what we are hearing over here is that there was just a slightly higher number of people in opposition of approving this aggression.

Gagnon: Oh, no! It was huge on the part of the Republicans. I wrote a blog about it. I thanked (something that I don’t normally do) the Republicans for this victory, because we couldn’t have done it without them.

Obama has, to a large extent, neutralized the left in this country: the liberal base or you can call it anything you want.

The peace movement is a shell of itself, because when Obama came into power many people, many quote unquote, “liberals” who identified themselves with peace activists, quit working in the peace movement, they quit donating to the peace movement, organizations fell apart, they had to lay off staff that they previously had during the Bush administration.

So, when Bush was waging wars, many liberals were opposed to those wars. When Obama is waging the same wars, many liberals don’t want to oppose those wars because Obama is their president.

Robles: Sure! How can you go against a black guy with a Nobel Peace Prize? I mean, if you are even a little bit, even marginally liberal.

Gagnon: So, we couldn’t have done this because we didn’t have enough strength to stop this congressional decision on Syria attack. We couldn’t have done it without the Republicans.

Robles: This is not a Liberal or a Conservative, or Neo-Conservative, or whatever issue. This is criminals just pillaging the system for their own good. That’s the way I see it. It is not Republican, it is just criminal.

Gagnon: Well, it is what it is. You know, I feel grateful.

Robles: What we hear over here, it gets all sanitized coming out of the US. So, we don’t hear a lot of the staff that’s actually going on there. And the world audience doesn’t hear, like you were saying, about all this police brutality. We only hear when there is like massive demonstrations or something. I mean, if you ever watched CNN international, I’m sure you have, have you noticed the difference?

Gagnon: Yes, I know what you are talking about.

Robles: Bruce, I think I took up too much of your time already but I appreciate… Anything you want to finish up with? Maybe, give us some details on the Peace Walk?

Gagnon: Well, we are very excited about it. There is a group of Buddhist nuns and monks from an order called Nipponzan Myohoji. All they do is peace walks all over the world, that’s what their order is all about. The founder of their order was a friend of Gandhi and this is one of the most active Buddhist sects there. It just does peace work and they build peace pagodas around the world as well. We are very fortunate to have these wonderful people that are going to lead our walk. And then, we have members of Veterans for Peace organization that I belong to, as well as other activists from the state and from the region who will be coming. And others will join us for a day or more along the way, as we pass though their community.

So, it is really exciting and I think it is going to be a really great walk. We are going to end on October 19th here in Bath, Maine, where I live.

There is going to be christening that day, such a crazy use of Christ’s name, to bless a Zumwalt-Class Stealth Destroyer on October 19th. So, our walk will come to my community here in Bath where we’ll hold a protest at this so-called “christening” of this first navy stealth destroyer. We are very excited about this whole process.

Robles: A stealth destroyer, now? The next thing we’ll get drone stealth destroyer, right?

Gagnon: Right! The idea is that we’ll be able to sneak up on other countries and fire shells from the distance between New York City and Philadelphia and electro-magnetic rail guns, they call it, are on board this stealthy destroyer. And the price tag, the normal, usual destroyer was $1.5 billion and this new stealth destroyer is $4 billion. So, more than double in price. You can see why the corporations are very eager to keep this endless war cycle going. They are making big money.

Robles: While the American people are losing their schools, their health, their dignity, their respect and their lives.

Gagnon: And in my town, this Bath Iron Works is owned by the General Dynamics Corporation. My town has 9,000 people.

Our annual budget, city municipal budget is $ 15 million. And General Dynamics is coming asking our broke, practically bankrupt town for another tax break.

Last year the CEO of General Dynamics made $18 million in compensation. One guy made more money than our entire municipal budget and now they are begging and asking for money from us. In the past they’ve received $197 million worth of tax breaks over the years from the state and from our town.

I’m organizing a campaign right now with some other people to try to block this corporate welfare request. And we just heard from the city tax assessor that the city council is hearing from boatloads of people, overwhelmingly, the public is opposed to the tax break.

So, even in this company town, you don’t go up against Bath Iron Works, you don’t stand up against General Dynamics in this town but we are doing it and apparently the public is on our side. Why? Because they’ve had enough.

Robles: Sure! The people are supposed to pay their taxes and if someone doesn’t pay their taxes, they lose everything they own. Yet the huge corporations are supposed to not pay any taxes. They are privileged, they are exceptional, they are above it all, right?

Gagnon: Yes! And they threaten that if you don’t give us this, we’ll move somewhere else. People are just tired of it and they are figuring that out.

So, there is something going on across America right now. Some might call it a prairie fire. But it is interesting times we are living in, for sure.

Robles: I think this can’t go on too long, something is going to break soon.

Gagnon: Yes, it has to.

Robles: Alright! Thank you very much Bruce, I really appreciate it. Best of luck to you on the walk! Can you give our listeners your website address?

Gagnon: I’ll give the Maine Veterans for Peace address. It is


That was the end of an interview with Bruce Gagnon – the coordinator for the Global Network Against Weapons and Nuclear Power in Space.

The U.S. is violating the Treaty of Svalbard – Bruce Gagnon

23 June, 04:42  Download audio file

Kiruna Sweden will be hosting the 21st International Space Conference from the 27th to the 29th of June 2013, during which U.S. and NATO violations of the Treaty of Svalbard will be one of the hottest topics of discussion. Bruce Gagnon, one of the key organizers of the event spoke to the Voice of Russia about the event and the U.S.-NATO militarization of the far north.


Concerned activists and writers from around the world will gather in Kiruna, Sweden on June 27-29 to discuss how the ‘High North’ of Sweden has become one of the largest training places (called NEAT) for NATO war exercises and advanced weapons testing.

The High North also hosts ground stations for military satellites and tests drones that are increasingly being used in the US-NATO war in Afghanistan.

Indigenous Samic people will be present at the conference to talk about the impact of these military operations on their lives.

Swedish Peace Council Vice-Chair Agneta Norberg stated: “US-NATO wants to control Russia and eventually get a hold of the enormous resources under the Arctic ice cap that is now melting due to climate change. To make Russia obedient the US-NATO is surrounding Russia with missile defense interceptors – key elements in their first strike system. For this purpose huge radars are installed in Vardö, Norway, close to Russian border, and on Thule base in Greenland. Norway and the US have established satellite stations on the Island of Svalbard which violate the Treaty of Svalbard that forbids the deployment of any war making technology.”

Global Network board convener Dave Webb (Chair of Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament in the UK) said: “Not many people know that the satellite receiving stations in Sweden and Norway fulfill an important role for NATO and the US military. Space technology is vital to the military’s global reach and we really need to support and stand with those campaigning for alternatives to war in their protest against these installations spread around the world.”

The three days of events are being sponsored by the Global Network Against Weapons & Nuclear Power in Space (GN), Women for Peace, and the Folke Bernadotte Academy. People will be coming to the conference from Japan, Germany, England, Russia, France, United States, Norway, Finland and Sweden.

2013 marks the 21st annual meeting of the Global Network. Each year the organization holds a space organizing conference in a different country. In 2012 the group met on Jeju Island, South Korea where villagers are protesting the construction of a Navy base for US warships.

The GN was founded in 1992 to stop the nuclearization and weaponization of space. Today the GN has 150 affiliate groups located on all continents of the world. 


Hello! This is John Robles, I’m speaking with Mr. Bruce Gagnon. He is the coordinator for the Global Network Against Weapons and Nuclear Power in Space.

Robles: Hello Bruce! How are you? Nice to be speaking with you again.

Gagnon: Good to talk to you.

Robles: The upcoming conference in Sweden, what is that all about?

Gagnon: This is the Global Network’s 21st anniversary and each year we hold an international conference, a space conference, in a different country in order to illustrate the growing militarization of space, particularly by the United States.

We were invited to come to Sweden, to northern Sweden, to Kiruna, because it is a region that is being highly militarized by the U.S. and NATO and turned into a major space downlink receiving area. It is hosting ground stations for military satellites. This part of Sweden is also becoming a major drone test area for both the U.S. and NATO. And so, people there are increasingly concerned about how they see NATO taking over a significant part of Sweden.

Sweden is not presently a NATO member, although they are being pushed into this new role where they are calling various countries partners “NATO Partners”. And so, there is an effort underway to bring Sweden in, particularly because of this large land mass that they have available for high-tech weapons testing.

Then, in addition, obviously their proximity to Russia is very important to NATO and the United States, particularly as they develop these ground stations that are talking to military satellites and are used by the US and NATO for war fighting.

So, in addition, Norway which controls an island called Svalbard, there is a Treaty of Svalbard that forbids the deployment of any war-making technology on that island. Norway and the United States have established satellite stations on the island over the recent years, and we will also be talking about that.

There is a Norwegian journalist that has just come out with a book on this subject called Satellite War. He is going to be speaking at the conference and we are very excited about hearing from him. He has really blown the cover on this U.S. and Norwegian program to essentially militarize the Island of Svalbard. It is in a prime location to send signals from satellites to ground stations and it is playing a key role in the US war-making operations. Anyway, these are the kinds of things that we are going to be talking about.

Robles: The Treaty of Svalbard, can you give our listeners a few details about it? And what does this mean that the U.S. is violating it?

Gagnon: The Norwegian journalist by the name of Bard Wormdal, he is the author of the book and he really dug very deeply to prove that in fact the United States has been funding some of the major technological improvements there on Svalbard as they increasingly are doing the work of the United States military by downloading information from satellites and feeding it to the Pentagon. The US has put major money into this operation.

And so, he has really blown the cover on it and the Norwegian Government has been very reluctant to acknowledge that they were doing military operations through those satellite downlink stations there on Svalbard. But through his digging he was able to prove it.

The Norwegian Government and various agencies kept denying that they were really doing anything, that they were in fact violating the treaty, they were denying it over and over again. But through a series of research and interviews and everything else, he has been able to really prove that that island is dramatically involved in the US war fighting operations.

In addition, in his book he also talks about the missile defense radar in Vardo, in Norway, that is very close to the Russian border. That is a key radar in the U.S. missile defense system, missile defense being the shield that the U.S. would use after they launch a first strike attack on Russia or China, something that they are war-gaming now annually. And these missile defense radars are very important in that operation.

Again, the Norwegian Government is trying to downplay the role of the radar saying that its role is only to listen to or to look for space debris and to track space debris. But in fact, the experts and scientists at MIT, in the United States, for example, and others have acknowledged that in fact this radar is a key player in the whole U.S. missile defense program that is being used today to surround Russia.

So, these issues are very important. We will have a person from Russia speaking about the U.S. missile defense system and Russia’s position on it. Vladimir Kozin will be speaking about that.

We will have activists from Germany, the leaders of the campaign for nuclear disarmament in the U.K. will be there as well. People from throughout the Nordic countries and several other countries as well. It is an important conference for us and we really think it’s going to blow the cover in a big way on the whole Norwegian and Swedish collaboration with the Pentagon in their whole space military program.

In addition, one key topic is the melting of the Arctic ice. As the result of that the U.S. and the NATO countries are scrambling to militarize the Arctic region and to be able to control it for extraction of oil as the Arctic ice melts. And of course this is going to put U.S. and NATO in direct conflict with Russia.

Right now the United States has got Canada to appropriate the largest military appropriation in Canadian history in order to build warships to patrol the Arctic zone. And so, Canada who really doesn’t have enemies in the world, is embarking on this massive military expenditure, cutting back on their social programs in order to build these ships. Lockheed Martin, the big American weapons contractor is heavily involved in this as are some others as well.

So, this kind of militarization of the Arctic is also going to be an important topic for us. And we will end the conference by agreeing to a declaration.

You were listening to an interview with Bruce Gagnon.

For more information about the conference check the GN's website at or contact Bruce Gagnon (GN Coordinator) at or Agneta Norberg (Stockholm)

Best media coverage in US from Russia

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23 March, 2013 15:30  Download audio file

Corporations are in complete control of the United States and are engaged in the colonizing and programming of the minds of Americans. Through subliminal and psychological manipulation, omission, demonization and fear they continue to enslave the American populace into becoming subservient slaves to the corporate, military, security state. Long time peace activist Bruce Gagnon, gives his views on this and more in an interview with the VOR.    

Robles: The Obama Administration has announced that their missile defense plans now include a base on the East Coast of the United States. Can you tell our listeners a little bit about that?

Gagnon: Yes. In addition to the existing missile defense sites that the US and NATO are deploying around the world, there has, already been for some time, since the Bush Administration, missile defense deployments in California at Vandenberg Air Force Base and also in the state of Alaska.

The Obama administration just announced that they are going to deploy 17 additional missile defense interceptors, these are underground-based mid-course missile defense systems. So, 17 of them will go into Alaska. And then, an East Coast base, will also be constructed either in northern Maine or in northern New York State.

This is being justified as a response to both Korean and Iranian missile testing, nuclear weapons, nuclear missile testing which of course we know is absurd because neither North Korea or Iran have the capability to reach the United States with a long-range missile today. And we know that Iran has no nuclear weapons. Clearly, the United States is expanding its missile defense program that is really aimed at Russia and China, and using the pretext of North Korea and Iran.

Robles: Aren’t Americans asking any questions? I mean they are putting up all this stuff all over Europe, supposedly to contain that same “threat”. Aren’t they admitting that all that stuff is useless if they are trying to put missiles up on the East Coast or in the United States?

Gagnon: I wouldn’t say it is useless. These systems really aren’t about defense whatsoever.

Robles: That’s exactly what I’m driving at, I mean, if it was a defensive system and they got in Europe; what would be the use of putting it on the East Coast of the United States? So… Americans have no questions about that?

Gagnon: Americans aren’t allowed to really have that information. For example, the news release that I sent to you, will not be covered in media in the United States, they just won’t talk about it. They won’t talk about how these systems are key elements in US first strike attack planning, and are really not at all about Iran and North Korea, but in fact they are aimed at Russia and China.

This won’t make it into the dialogue in this country. So, the American people really can’t be expected to have an opinion or comment on an issue that they aren’t given any information about. And that’s why we are working so hard to try to get this information out to the people, but it is difficult.

We have to through these very small and weak alternative media institutions in this country, which are helpful obviously to us, but they don’t have the power to reach the American people the way the mainstream media or the corporate media does, but that media, those doors, are essentially closed.

Robles: Does everybody believe that North Korea and Iran are really threats to the United States?

Gagnon: Well, I think increasingly, slowly but surely, more and more American citizens are beginning to figure out that our Government feeds us a pack of lies. The problem though is: what do we do about it? We have this corporate-dominated congress of the United States. We have the corporations fully in control of the Obama Presidency.

And so, having an impact on this corporate strangulation of our democracy is really difficult. It is difficult for us to change policy in this country because the corporations now control virtually all the levers of power. We’ve had a capitalist takeover of our Congress. They’ve drowned democracy in America. So, it is very dispiriting and disheartening to many American people as we are now going over the 10th anniversary of Bush’s “Shock and Awe” in Iraq. And we see Obama continuing really the same policies of the Bush Administration when it comes to foreign policy, military policy. And so, it is extremely disheartening to the people how do we get out there and change that. And that is, as an organizer, our biggest struggle today.

It is not so much always convincing people that our side of the story is true. Our more difficult challenge is to get people to act on it because they really feel overwhelmed and under control. And clearly the American people have been colonized, their minds have been colonized and their political process has been colonized by this corporate oligarchy.


Robles: Isn’t it strange that now, in this day and age, Americans have to look to Russia for freedom of speech or freedom of press when 25-30 years ago people believed it was the opposite?

Gagnon: As I was waiting to do this interview with you, I was thinking that very thing. How ironic for me and my life! I’ve been an organizer since the early 80s. So I was in the peace movement during the Cold War between the former Soviet Union and the United States, and I remember going on radio, radio in my community where I lived, and trying to defend, the idea of peaceful negotiations with the former Soviet Union.

And so, how ironic it is to me today, absolutely, that the best media coverage we can get is from; RT, Russia Today Television and your radio station, it is absolutely amazing.

Robles:  Wow. Things have changed.

Gagnon: No, I think things are becoming more clear. Things are becoming more clarified for many people in this country. The illusion is washing away. The Hollywood façade, the illusion of democracy is finally fading away and people are really beginning to see what stands behind it, and who stands behind it. They are beginning to see the face of the corporate domination.

But again, what is the next step? How do you then move people to successfully take that down and put the people back in power again? That’s the struggle of our moment.

Robles: Putting people in power sounds something Socialistic or Communistic. (Laughs)

Gagnon: (Laughs) Yes, or Christian, or… you know, there are lots of ways to look at it.

Robles: Well, anything that’s people based will be demonized as being Communist or something evil. I’m just further contrasting the situation.

Gagnon: I’ve been doing kind of a study watching television commercials and seeing how the various corporations selling their products are trying to get rid of this idea of cooperation and sharing within, even the family! As these commercials are showing family members competing with each other for the last piece of chicken or for the last soda. They are trying to redefine what it means to be a human being in this country for the people.

This is john Robles, you were listening to part 1 of an interview with Mr. Bruce Gagnon – the coordinator for theGlobal Network Against Weapons and Nuclear Power in Space. You can find part 2 and the rest of this interview on our website at Thanks for listening, and as always we wish you the best, wherever you may be! 

‘America's Nazi scientists fulfilling dream of ruling the world’ - Part One

31 January, 15:00  Download audio file

In an exclusive interview with the Voice of Russia, Bruce Gagnon shares little known facts about the militarization of space by the United States, the development of first strike space drones and the foundation of the US Military Industrial Complex by Nazi scientists bent on victory in World War III. If you thought missile defense and drones were bad, you haven't heard anything yet.

Robles: According to your organization the US Space Command has publicly stated they intent to control space in order to protect US interests and investments. Is space now US territory?

Gagnon: Well, indeed the United States likes to believe that it is its own space, and particularly the Space Command, who on their headquarters building in Colorado Springs, just above the doorway they have their logo that reads “Master of Space”. So, I think that it is quite evident that the Space Command does indeed view space as US territory that must be controlled because they clearly understand that all warfare on the earth today is coordinated by space technology and that whoever essentially controls space will control the planet below, in this case on behalf I believe of corporate globalization. And so the Space Command in our thinking has become the military arm of corporate globalization.

And so today the US is developing a whole host of technologies to allow it to fight war from space, through space and in space, controlling not only the Earth but also the pathway on and off the planet Earth, the pathway to other planetary bodies as resources are discovered on other planets: magnesium, cobalt, uranium, gold, water etc.

In a congressional study done back in the 1980s, the Congress gave the Pentagon the mandate to develop the technologies to control the pathway on and off the planet Earth. So, the Space Command sees its role in a very-very robust kind of way.

Robles: Several questions just popped up after what you just said. First one: how do they intend to “control the pathway”, I mean there is not only one pathway off the planet, I mean, how are they going to do that?

Gagnon: Well, in this particular study entitled “Military Space Forces the Next 50 Years”, they talk about the Earth-Moon Gravity Well, that whoever controls the Earth-Moon Gravity Well, essentially with bases on the Moon and armed space stations between, what they said were the L4 and L5 positions in space, they would be able to control these.

And interestingly enough, we know that it was in fact the former Nazi scientists that were brought to the United States following World War II under a program, a secret program, called Operation Paper Clip. These Nazi scientists that ran Hitler’s V1 and V2 rocket programs, they were the first to bring to the Congress of the United States, this idea of having orbiting battle stations controlling the pathway on and off the planet as well as the Earth below.

So, today again there is the whole host of technologies that are being developed by the Space Command. They say at the Pentagon that we are not going to get all of these technologies to work, but through the investment and the research and development in these various technologies, things like “Rods from God”: orbiting battle stations with tungsten-steel rods they would be able to hit targets on the Earth below…

Robles: They call those “Rods from God”?

Gagnon: Yes, they call it “Rods from God”. The new military space plane that is being tested now by the Pentagon, it has shown its ability to stay in orbit for a whole year at a time: an unpiloted space drone essentially. And then with ground stations all over the planet that the United States has established, what they call downlink stations that communicate with US military satellites all over the planet. This whole network has been put into place to really give the US, as they say in one of their planning documents, “control and domination of space”.


Robles: More questions: The space drone that you just mentioned, it is actually… it’s operational right now?

Gagnon: It is called the X37B, it’s been over the past couple of years. The testing program has accelerated and they’ve had three successful launches of it now. Just recently, I believe it was just at the end 2012, was the last of the missions, the third mission actually. But prior to that they had one of them spend a whole year in space.

The role of this X37B, or the military space plane, is somewhat in dispute. Some people believe that it is for surveillance, to spy on various countries, like Russia and China. Or others believe that it is actually a first strike weapons system whose job would be to fly down from orbit, drop an attack on a particular country.

In fact the Space Command annually war games a first strike attack on China set in the year 2016. And in one of the articles, in one of the industry publications, Aviation Week and Space Technology, I read a report about the first weapon that was used in one of these computer war game attacks of China, was this military space plane. So, indeed they are war gaming with it as a first strike weapon.

Robles: Now, you mentioned Nazi scientists a minute ago, I mean, it is not a very widely known fact that after World War II, I believe it was, about 400,000 Nazis found refugee in the United States. Can you tell us a little more on the scientists that were developing these programs and working with the US Government? Can you expand on that a little bit?

Gagnon: Under Operation Paper Clip, 1,200 Nazis were brought into the United States, former Nazi intelligence. They were brought in to help create the CIA.

Wernher von Braun, the Nazi scientist that ran the V1 and V2 operations was brought in. He became one of the leaders of NASA and he built the first successful rockets that were launched by the US military after the Kennedy Administration wanted to respond to the Soviet Union’s launch of Sputnik.

Other Nazi scientists were brought in to create US Flight Medicine programs, the MKUltra LSD-drug experiments of the 1960s in the United States, where people were jumping out of windows and killing themselves because they were given drugs.

The people that were running these were the former Nazi scientists who had been doing similar tests on prisoners of war and Jews and other people in concentration camps inside of Germany.

So, the entire military industrial complex was seeded with these top Nazi operatives. And I’ve always maintained that when you do that: “Is there an ideological contamination that comes along with that?” My belief is: indeed there is.

Robles: That’s exactly the point I wanted to make myself.

Gagnon: Major-General Walter Dornberger was the Head of Hitler’s secret Space Development Program. He was brought to the United States to work for Bell Aerospace in New York State after the war.

He testified before the Congress in the 1950s. And I can quote him, he said to the Congress: “Gentlemen, I didn’t come to this country to lose the third world war, I lost two already.” And he again was one of the first to layout this vision of control of space, giving the US full control of the planet Earth.

US Missile Shield: It is like a loaded gun pointed at someone's head - Part Two

13 February, 17:00  

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In part 2 of an exclusive interview with the Voice of Russia, Bruce Gagnon the coordinator for the Global Network Against Weapons and Nuclear Power in Space shares more little known facts about the hidden Pentagon secret black budget program, militarization of space by the United States and details the way the US will carry out a "successful" first strike attack against China and Russia. If you thought NATO expansion, the US Missile Shield and space drones were bad, listen to how they will all work together to help the US take over the world.

Hello, this is John Robles, I’m speaking with Bruce Gagnon, he’s the Coordinator for the Global Network Against Weapons and Nuclear Power in Space.

Robles: Very, I think, important, what you mentioned about the first-strike capability of the X37B in the space war games. Can you tell us a little bit more about that and anything related to Russia that you’ve heard about?

Gagnon: The X37B, being hailed, being promoted to the public as a successor to the space shuttle, is indeed much more than that. It was a hidden Pentagon secret black budget program, initially costing more than a billion dollars.

Again, it had three tests, the last test kept the X37B in space for about a whole year. It was able to do many things, including, we’re told: spy on a Chinese satellite.

Many people believe it could also serve as an anti-satellite weapon, while up in space, obviously it would have the ability to take out of commission another country’s satellites. So, prior to a first-strike attack, for example, if you took out another country’s satellite, Russia or China, then you would essentially help to blind them to the incoming attack from the United States.

So, I think this military space plane would play those kinds of roles. But this is coupled with the deployments of U.S. missile-defense systems that are today being used to surround Russia and China, both on ground-based launchers and on ships, and this program has really accelerated under the Obama Administration.

The Patriot, PAC-3 missile defense systems that are going into Poland and Turkey, the SM-3, the Standard Missile 3 interceptors that are onboard, Navy Aegis Destroyers are being now put into the Mediterranean Sea and eventually will be deployed in the Black, the Baltic and the Barents Seas. And these same interceptor missiles are going to be also ground-based in Poland and Romania in the years to come.

So this same encirclement that is now happening around Russia is being deployed around China. The U.S. is deploying the so-called missile defense systems in Taiwan, in Japan, Okinawa, South Korea and on these Navy Aegis Destroyers bumping up against the coast of mainland China.

Missile defense systems are key elements in this overall U.S. first-strike attack program. In fact, referring again to the computer war game that I told you about earlier, that in the year 2016, after the initial U.S. attack of China (and China has very small nuclear force of about 20 nuclear missiles that are capable of hitting the West Coast in the U.S.), after that initial first-strike attack by the U.S., China then tries to fire its remaining retaliatory capability. And it is at that time that the missile defense system is used to take out China’s remaining retaliatory capability, giving the U.S. a quote unquote “successful first-strike attack”.

And so, again at the same time, the U.S. is deploying these missile defense systems really misnamed because they’re such key elements in the offensive first-strike attack program. But the U.S. is deploying these to surround Russia and China.

At the same time the Obama Administration has been encouraging Russia and China and other nations to get rid of their nuclear weapons, to reduce their numbers of nuclear weapons something I’m in favor of. I want everyone to get rid of all of their nuclear weapons, but clearly there’s a hidden agenda here, on the part of the United States because clearly the U.S. wants Russia and China to reduce their numbers of nuclear weapons, which makes a first-strike attack more possible, especially it makes it more possible for missile defense system then to pick off a smaller retaliatory capability. So, one has to look at U.S. first-strike planning, both in terms of a nuclear attack and also this so-called missile defense system.

So coupled with satellites, coupled with the first-strike attack programs that are being developed from space this is all, very much, a dangerous, dangerous system that is under way.


Robles: You spoke about the Nazim and he was speaking about WWIII. Do you see all these systems actually being put into use in the near future? I’m talking about U.S. actually launching World War III against Russia and China.

Gagnon: Well, you know, sometimes you don’t have to actually launch, sometimes these things serve as a loaded gun pointed at someone’s head, as a threat, so sometimes you don’t necessarily have to launch, but they still serve essentially the same function.

So I cannot predict whether or not the U.S. will actually launch nuclear weapons. Although I must say that we’re the only country on the planet that has ever used a nuclear weapon against other people.

Robles: Twice.

Gagnon: Like we did in Japan. So, clearly the U.S. is using these systems today, the deployment of these systems, to drive a new arms race. Think of that, as you surround Russia and China, those countries inevitably respond by modernizing their own capability, in China’s case; increasing their capabilities, getting submarines, taking their nuclear weapons off land, where they’re vulnerable to U.S. first-strike attack, putting them in more survivable submarines under the oceans.

So this creates new arms race. And I can promise you that American politicians are running around our country saying, “Oh my god, look what China is doing today! They’re increasing their military. We need more! They’re trying to take over the world.”

And so by the U.S. escalating in the way it has since the end of the, quote unquote, “Cold War”, that, in my mind, has never really ended, by the U.S. constant escalation, and now encirclement of Russia and China, the expansion of NATO to essentially surround Russia; this forces Russia and China to upgrade. And then the U.S. uses that as an excuse to continue its own military operations.

In the United States today out of every discretionary tax dollar 57% of every tax dollar, today in Amerika, goes to the United States military. It’s unrelenting. And they’re hollowing out our economy, they’re destroying social progress, cutting back on education, on health care, on mental health care; every kind of necessary program to run a decent society is under attack as the money is being moved into the military.

So clearly the United States Pentagon has become, there’s no doubt about it, the military arm of corporate globalization, and their primary job is to function as a resource extraction service for corporate globalization, corporate capitalism.


End of Part 2

Part 3 will be posted in the near future. Stay “tuned”.

‘Our country is fully under the control of corporate power’ - Part Three

24 February, 12:33  

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In part 3 of the interview with the Voice of Russia, Bruce Gagnon the coordinator for the Global Network Against Weapons and Nuclear Power in Space describes how the United States has become a country that clearly fits in to Mussolini's definition of fascism. There is no democracy in America today, Gagnon claims.

Robles: Now what you’re describing to me, I mean in the dictionary, if you look up the word “fascism”, it is a government controlled by corporations basically. You mentioned Nazi planners in the background starting all this stuff up. Would you characterize the US as being a fascist state at this point?

Gagnon:Well, I think it is true that Mussolini's classic definition of fascism was the wedding of government and corporations. And there can be no doubt that’s what we have in America today. We have no democracy. Our country is fully under the control of corporate power. They buy the elections now, buy the Supreme Court.

In a decision just a couple of years ago: now allows corporations to put as much money into election campaigns as they like, they don’t even have to publicly declare where the money comes from.

And so our ability to have fair and free elections has been destroyed, has been drowned by the Supreme Court’s decision allowing unlimited corporate money. They basically said that corporations have the rights of people.

Robles: Unfortunately, Bruce we are about out of time. Is there anything you’d like to finish up with?

Gagnon:I’d just like to invite people to check out our website, which is the Global Network against Weapons and Nuclear Power in Space. We were created 21 years ago and today we have a global membership. People all over the world who are working hard to get their country out of the program that the United States has developed, that is now swallowing up other countries around the world, pulling them into this very expensive Starwars program, so expensive that the US cannot afford to pay for it itself. It is now pulling in the so-called allied countries to help them pay for the entire program.

Robles: Ok, thank you very much. I visited your website, very interesting, a lot of material there. So, I recommend it for anybody out there. Thanks a lot, it was very interesting.




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